Street racers
 

http://www.dpccars.com/car-videos-08...acing-bust.htm

Don't know if this a Dupe, but wild anyway!

Ha Ha Ha...BUSTED!!!:hehehe:

HAHAHAHA,,, Yep... BUSTED

Dirty little punks went back and vandalized the warehouse the police were in. Typical little sh!#s. Not tough enough to do it to someone, they have to go and secretly hit and run, like a sucker punch..... tsk tsk

hay gyes
i have never been busted
i think corvettes are the best cars in the world
i need to know do they still make realy good corvettes

:shrug01::shrug01::shrug01::shrug01::thinkin:
What the :2232censored:

Please not another one :banghead:

Why, as a matter of fact GM does still make really good Corvettes. If you haven't driven a C5 or a C6, I think you are in for a REAL treat when you finally do get behind the wheel of one. :thumbsup:

Something that happened before I got here?

Brisbane is in Australia, so I suppose that he'll never get behind the wheel of a C5 or C6. :crazy03:

Ignore it, it'll go away:yesnod:

If it's legit, it'll stay.

That shows what happens when you try to have fun
 

in response to the street racing bust!!!

Well I understand the need to make the streets safe but this one was just awful....The should just make a law that says if it involves fun that it is illegal!!! LoL:hehehe: wait I think it's already like that!!

eh, most the things I enjoy are either illegal, immoral or fattening....:lmao::lmao:

Yea it's just SSSOOOOO MUUUCCH FFUUUUUUNNN to go to a funeral of an innocent citizen that pulled out in tront of a sports car or motorcycle going triple digit speeds on a 35 or 45 mph road who got t-boned and killed because when they pulled out the cars were a half a mile away and they had no idea they were coming so fast......


I'm NOT criticizimg the occasional romp on the gas pedal for a short and controlled distance.... I am referring to the all out ballz to the wall acceleration while you are looking to the side at the other racer and not paying attention to the cars in front of you while going 2 to 3 to 4 times the speed limit with cross traffic. How many race tracks can you name that have a pedestrian road to cross the track while the races are going? Is there even one? I think not.

Save it for the track there Speedy Gonzales.

When we were young!!
 

I remember street racing when I was young, I loved going fast, :crazy03:
and still do, but with age comes wisdom, so I just go to the track!!!:rofl1:
We need to maybe teach these kids how to race in a safe enviroment,
make the tracks more accessible and some old timers to teach them how to do it right!!:yesnod::thumbsup:

My experience with tracks is eh. Ill use OSW(Orlando Speed World), as an exmaple.

By far the worst run track Ive ever been to. Tech looked at my car, listened to it, and knew it was in the territory of atleast a 4pt cage. They went ahead and let me race anyways. My first pass I barely got on it and went sideways, my second pass I went sideways 3 times, I didnt end up in the wall cause I know my car very well.

When I took my car down county road 37 I believe(coming back from polk county back to bradenton) and did 176mph, I never once lost traction. Never once went sideways.

Corvettes are street ready cars or autocross. They are not meant to go down the 1/4m IMO.

Well, I'm not as well versed on Zora'a original purpose behind the cette, but I do know that the original versions were SOLID AXLE cars and could withstand the shock of the engines they held. AS well, you can now upgrade those solid axle's pretty easily with something more "substantial."

IMO (as has been demonstrated repeatedly), the IRS in the vette, regardless of the manufacturer, and there are several "bullet proof" IRS providers on the market:thumbsup:, is still the weak link in any Corvette when it comes to the 1/4 mile.

Simply put, too many moving parts.

I agree that the Corvette is much better suited and probably more at home, on a road or autocross track, or the Autobahn:thumbsup:

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176 mph on a public roadway is :thumbsdown:.

I agree that you may "know" your car; however, if you know your car, how did you allow it to go sideways on the track?

Not only once, but twice?

There are a lot of professional cars out there, high HP (higher than your're putting down) cars out there that can come off the line relatively straight, and stay straight though the 1/4, shifts and all.

It's about set up and ability. Training and practice:thumbsup:

On a track, it's a relatively controlled environment.

On a public road, even a back woods country road (especially in some cases), you have NO CONTROL over your environment!

You have no idea that the last roofing truck down that same road inadvertently dumped a bucket of roofing nails while headed home.

You also have no idea that a deer, fleeing from a hunter, an another attacker or simply doing what comes naturally and running through the woods, is about to cross your path.

You never know when someone, anyone, a hunter, a ATV rider, an elderly person, an inattentive driver, a child or teen, is going to walk, run or exit onto the roadway from a side street, a private, or a dirt road, right into your path of travel!:eek:

When something breaks, and eventually something will break, a tire blows, a differential or one of the many UV joints on those IRS axles decides to go south, where are you headed? Into what?

And last but certainly not least, when the Trooper, County Deputy or City cop, still using the "old school" RADAR units, appears on the horizon, what are you going to do?

It's been a while, but I believe that I could use the Florida Street Racing Statue, make it stick, and have the vette repainted green/black/or blue and white, or Tan & Black or Gray (yes, FWC can get you too!) and the low profile lights look sweet on a vette:lmao:

I'm not trying to be hypocritical.

Yes, I've broken the 100 mark on several occasions over my 35+ years of driving. And yes, I street raced as a kid. And yes, I've crashed cars!
Both racing (had a full cage in a street raced (semi-street legal) old 70 something Mustang (75-76 era can't recall now:( ), in pursuits (that one costs me a few days and a private ride back and forth to work for a month!), on police motorcycles (yeah, that one smarted a bit!) and just driving down the damned road:(

I'm not saying this to brag. I'm trying to make a point.

CHIT HAPPENS!

When street racing, I was young, quick, thought that I had my chit pretty well bagged, and we were running a car that was pretty well a pure quarter miler with a tag and bogus inspection sticker:D.

Still crashed over something simple!

In the pursuits, you're running high speeds, trying to monitor the bad guys, your backup and fellow officers, and keep and eye on the citizens doing the wrong things at the wrong time, all the while trying to be helpful and law abiding.
(*HINT* Don't abruptly STOP in the middle of the f#@*Ing road :eek:when you hear sirens!)

When it goes bad, it goes bad quick!

On the street, any number of reasons from not paying attention to vehicle malfunctions.

What I'm saying is, I've been lucky.

Not been sued (although my daughter may have just jinxed that record recently:mad:), not been killed, seriously hurt or seriously hurt or killed anyone else.

But at 176, that kinda luck isn't going to happen.

At that speed, you're moving at approximately 264 FPS:eek:

Given an observation and reaction time in the half second range, you're still going to travel 132' before anything even starts to happen to slow down the car...and that's if you don't move the wheel.

Move the wheel and things get ugly quick!

Going straight it's going to take freaking forever to bring that buggy to a halt.

As I said though, move the wheel, and you can just put a quarter in the slot and hang on for the ride!

By the way. While doing 176, are you still wearing the helmet you had at the track? I realize they didn't ding you for no cage, but since when to they determine your speed and ET by sound?

Once you got sideways twice, I'd be asking you to leave my track for liability reasons.
My guess is, if they're that lax, it will bite them in the ass one day and we'll have one less official track on which to send the kids:(

And since it was mentioned, if you realized that you "should" have had a cage, other drivers and the law be damend, why would you take the same risks on the road without one? That just doesn't make sense to me:shrug01:

Ok, rants over....and I'm no damned saint! Those that know me know...that shine on my head isn't a HALO, it's a GLARE:lmao:

Just be careful out there and use your head:thumbsup:

Gordon

Your first mistake was thinking Orlando Speedworld was a track, I used to race Bikes, we ran 7.70's @195mph, we would not go there except to do
tunning. this was back in 1980's.
We went to Desoto, it was a little better, when prepped the track would allows us to run 8.0@185 without spinning, if we bumped the power up we would light the tire up. so it's track prep and drivers ability.
the only local track then and now that was worth a sh** was Moroso and still is.
About a month ago I took my Vette, with drag radials, yes Vette, to Desoto, and did a 11.09@127, spinning 2nd, with a 1.69 60ft.
PBIR with street tires I did a 11.17 @126, and 1.7 60 ft, so even with street tires Moroso is better. I'm going today to run with the drag radials, I'll let you know what happens.
there is street DD that run in the 10's, yes a car driven every day to work will do it, Vette's were not made to Drag Race, Yet they work great when driven and setup right.

I went sideways at OSW because they dont prep the track worth a damn. They spray VHT up to the 60ft and your own your own after that. Ive had a couple techs come into my work they know my car from BMP and told me I wouldnt clear tech inspection so theres no point in coming out to race.

Well a stock trim C6 will run 12, now add a cammed an stroked motor with a nice size blower, 3200 stall at the time, and itll make some time. See on the pass I went sideways three times I still trapped a 120mph...no boost, on street tires.

I pushed 176 mainly cause I wanted to. Its a rush I enjoy, to me its better then being on drugs. I have the same chance dying from rolling my car, as I do some strung out crackhead coming into my pawn shop with a gun and blowing my head off, so IF Im going to die I might as well go out the way I prefer.

I wont do any of that in the city though, fastest to 60 is about all Ill push in the city.
I started applying the brakes when I saw a small blur on the horizon, which turned out to be almost 2m down the road according to the odometer.

I'd have to be with LS2 on this. Now on I4 during rush hour, in a construction zone, etc... not a good idea to speed at all.

But when there is nobody around, it's really not any more dangerous than being there at the speed limit. Back when I got off of work at 4 in the morning, I used to go 130mph all the way home on I4. There just wasn't anybody there to risk running into. And as for cops... I always figured if they were out there and could keep me in sight long enough to get pointed in my direction, they deserve to give me a ticket. And in that 6 months, I never came close to getting in a wreck. But I stopped counting how many times I've almost got run over when going 60-65 through that same area.

And the road is prepped better? One good point Shadow made was the fact that something could be in the roadway. It could range from a giant pot hole, a couple hundred nails to a full 5 galon paint bucket, to a 20 lb chunk of semi truck tire, or better yet a several hundred pound animal like a deer.

It's not you that is the problem. You are your own boss. If you want to die doing what you love so be it, it's the OTHER people you kill that is the problem. If you are lucky you die too and don't spend the rest of your life in prison for manslaughter. EVERY car made after about 1989 or 1990 has a "black box" hidden in them. The data that it records is everything from speed, to acceleration percentage, to braking percentage, seatbelts, air bags, and hundreds of more calculations that usually don't even pertain to the police investigation. All of this data is saved for a specified time frame up to the point of collision. It may be someting like 2 minutes worth of data or something like that. Even if you have a classic car with no data recorder the major crash investigation teams or traffic homicide teams can determine speed from alot of other factors. Witnesses, skids, and crush damage are just a few.

That's kind of the point here.

Except that drunk that just left a bar and is doing 30 mph and swervinig all over the 4 lanes because he is afraid if he speeds the cops will stop him.... Ahh, but what is a 100 mph difference in speed? No biggie right? That's if he doesn't get on the incorrect ramp and head straight towards you. Even a super skilled driver such as yourself can't react to his 60 mph opposite your 130 mph (giving you a 190 mph closing speed).

TICKET? Who said anything about a ticket? That kind of speed on some road like I-4 will get you a ticket alright, a one way ticket to jail on a reckless driving charge.

As far as turning around to get "pointed in the right direction", that is if he is going the opposite direction. What if you come up on him in the same direction? He's doing 65 / 70 / 75 and you pass him. He pushes on the gas and falls in behind you. IF you see him because you pass a fully marked cruiser you can try to go faster. If he is in an unmarked Charger or other hidden cruiser then good luck seeing him at all untill all his buddies light you up in a big mob behind and in front of you.

Again, I wish you luck. The old adage is you may out run the motor, but you can't out run motorola. Remember the police are a team. They have multiple cars all over the place. You pass one of them and they get on the horn and tell all their buddies about the reckless driver they just witnessed whom they have criminal charges on and see how many blast their way towards your direction. Cops love a chase. Even you have played cops and robbers as a kid. Pursuits are the few minutes of fun in an otherwise dull and paperwork filled job. Even the whirly bird eye in the sky wants to get in on the chase. Good luck loosing him too.

I've seen more than one extremely fast motorcycle (or car) think they could loose him only to eventually run out of gas or have the house he ducks into surrounded by all kinds of cops. Then he watches from the back seat of a patrol car as the police impound his vehicle right out of his garage.

I think you were VERY lucky that you didn't get the attention of any police, and you should quit while your ahead.

Like the last post by LS2 Powa, you ended your own post with the point that we are trying to make. I-4 (and any Bay area road for that matter) is dangerous enough without adding a reckless 130 mph or 176 mph 3,500 lb missle into the mix.

Let us not forget that the cop is putting his/her life at risk during the chase.
What happens when daddy or mommy doesn't get home that night to their kids?

I guess theres no point in owning a car thats made to push 200mph then if were limited to 70 at most then right? Sorry if it pisses people off but most people jump out of planes, some jump off cliffs, some dive with sharks. As stated before this is something I love, I do it with no one else around.

Gordon said it would take 13X ft for the brakes to even start working, and I forget how far it takes Z06 brakes to come to a full stop from 100. But at most Id be looking at 300ft of total distance, and how many feet are in 2 mile stretch? I think I had plenty of time to stop/slow down.

I know the road pretty well that Im on. Its a veeeery long stretch of a flat, straight two lane road. No houses, no cross streets, ditch's off the side of the road so no one can even park there to wait(including cops).

Lou, the same thing applies to everyone on the road. Its the chance you take every time you get behind the wheel. Ive been there, done that, dont eve wanna see it again...hence why IF Im gonn go its gonna be on my hands...not someone elses.

Still dont see a point of jumping on a guys back cause he pushed a machine to what it was made for with 0 people around and enough leeway to stop, its not like I was the ass in town blowing red lights, doing double the speed IN the city, basic ricer crap. :shrug01:

Funny how few accidents there are on the Auotbahn when most everyone is going over 100 cruising with the occasional 150 plus driver....but then, the slower drivers know to keep out of the fast lane and most all have common courtesy on the road that is so lacking here in the states.

I am not jumping on you LS2POWA. I guess the older you get the less risk you take and want to make sure you and others are around to enjoy life and our Corvettes. Since my son is a LEO I get a little too protective for them.

All is cool.:thumbsup:

I know quite a few LEOs myself who come into my work and bs with me. I have lots of respect for LEOs and what they do..the good/honest ones that is.

As stated, I would never put anyone else in harms way for me to try something like I did before.

It's not illegal to sky dive, jump off cliffs, or dive with sharks. I don't recall hearing any stories where any innocent bystanders died because someone was bitten by a shark..... :rolleyes: It's legal to own a gun, but is it ALWAYS legal to use it? NOPE. Only in the right scenarios such as a gun range or defense of yourself. Therefore the speed thing only flies when you are on a designated legal track.

My point is HOW can you possibly know that NO ONE is around?? I don't care how flat long stretch of two lane road it is. There is ALWAYS the chance that someone is pulling out of a side dirt road, off the shoulder when they stopped for a few minutes on their own, someone coming the other way decides to make a stupid u-turn or left turn, or even a large animal has run out in front of you.

Here's a video of how quickly it can go bad with a tire blow out. This does not appear to be a police camera although it's hard to tell because it seems to be a European roadway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iqyvwzpnHk

Actually he said:

That means that even if you fully expect the danger ahead (which human nature is to be complacent) you would still cover 1/2 of a football field before you BEGIN to react. One scond into it and you are already near the whole football field distance. Add in the OH SH*T factor and you have 2 to 3 football fields of distance involved. You are shocked and go through a brief stage of disbelief before a crash (or other traumatic event) which causes your brain to slow down and mull through the options that are not as bad as what you know is coming. Humans have a safety system that creates tunnel vision when under stress. This stress does not have to be all bad, just stress in general. The stress causes you to concentrate harder on the road ahead, but that limits your field of view and choices available based on your limited vision area. Shadow can explain this one better I'm sure.

I used to set up specific distances to run (marathon training). I know what an exact mile looks like, and I think you may be over estimating what you see in the distance. I don't believe myself that you can see 2 miles ahead. If you were in the Death Valley desert I still don't believe that distance is obtainable with environmental factors such as hills, curves, bends in the road, heat waves bouncing off the pavement (and your headlights WOULD NOT illuminate more than a couple of hundred feet in front of your car at night). You would outrun your headlights.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7Zsz7uc5j4

NONE huh?

Again, hopefully IF it happens, you don't take anyone with you.

Everyone has their opinion....

And don't forget the 747, whose fuel tanks were accidentally filled with nitro-glycerin, causing the engines to explode sending the aircraft plummeting towards my impact zone with the drunk driver. At the same time, a locomotive pulling radioactive waste speeds out of control when the operators all suffer freak heart attacks. And then they hit a penny on the track, and come plummeting through the air towards the aforementioned impact zone. And just as all of these objects collide, my body spontaneously combusted.

Anything could happen at any time to end somebody's life. On I4, when I'm speeding there are only objects coming at me in one direction that I need to worry about. When I'm on the cruise control at 65, I have to worry about the jackass in the SUV going 90mph weaving through traffic while texting. No matter how fast I am going in my car I never weave through traffic. Speeding may not be "lawful", and I may not be a "super skilled driver" as you put it. But I never endanger anyone but myself, I am ready to (and have in the past) aim for a tree if I have to, to avoid hitting another car.

As for the police part, you are kind of right. You know nothing of highway cops if you honestly think they limit themselves to 70 though. Cruising along, if there are cars other than me out there, the patrol cars are easy to spot. If there is suddenly a group of cars and none of them will pass the lead car, cop. If one of the cars is passing all the other cars, cutting through whatever traffic there is, it's either a cop or an idiot driver. They seem to like sitting in the median between exits 48 and 55, across from the sign that says it's 53 miles to Tampa and 71 miles to St. Pete, so I know where the speed traps are. Speed traps are limited by the fact that the radar vehicle and the one that pull you over are either the same car, or stationary in the same spot. And you don't need to worry about the cops going in the opposite direction, they can't personally do anything.

However, if they get behind me and match speed, I pull over. It's that simple. But any other situation, at those speeds... you said it yourself with the braking distances. You don't have to run from the cops, you just have to maintain speed. If a cop is behind you with his lights on, he wants you to pull over. Otherwise, as far as I know he's just responding to an armed robbery somewhere in my general direction. It's not my problem if he's out of sight by the time he can get going...:wavey:


Now, all of that said, I've just pulled over and waited before. As little respect as I have for the "law" in general, and as untrusting of LEOs as I am and always will be, that doesn't mean that I want to see them get hurt. So if I feel that I am in a situation where I can't disappear before he starts getting aggressive, then I will pull over. However, don't take the end of my last post as a reinforcement of your points. What I was trying to say is that I feel safer going 100mph than I do 60. It's a sad thing that I feel that way, but that's beyond the topic of this (already sidetracked) thread.:yesnod:


EDIT: I realize that there are several current and former LEOs on here, and I just want to point out that I mean nothing personal by the above. I just have a problem with anybody being empowered with the ability to control any aspect of my life. I have no problems with Jon Doe, but once he puts on his uniform and becomes Officer Doe he becomes a threat to my personal happiness. Yea, I'm selfish like that. But a lot of the time I just look at some stuff and can't figure out why it is "unlawful", many people make the mistake of thinking that anything illegal is immoral and wrong when that is often not the case.

Honestly, I believe more and more people are thinking this way lately. As it becomes more and more blatant that law enforcement is more and more about revenue generation, and the public safety and welfare be damned, the more people are going to come to resent this backdoor tax collection scheme.

It won't be too long before the realization hits that the more things that are illegal with fines attached, the more revenue generation it will produce. Heck, I've said for a LONG time that eventually citizens of the USA (home of the free, land of the brave... :rolleyes: ) will be issued a pamphlet on their 18th birthday that will itemize EVERYTHING that is legal to do. If it is not in that pamphlet, then it is ILLEGAL. I don't expect that pamphlet to be very large to begin with, and it will shrink from "updates" often....

:NoNo::NoNo:

I think you're overdramatizing the current political issues surrounding our communities and our country.

"Law Enforcement" is not about "revenue generation."

"Traffic Enforcement" on the other hand, is becoming moreso by the day!:thumbsdown:

I've said it before and will continue to say it.

If we cared about safety, there's a better way to accomplish it without writing boatloads of Charlie Foxtrot tickets at $200.00 + per shot!:eek::thumbsdown::nonod:

Cameras, radar, highly publicised notices of same, heavy point assessments and restrictions/revocations.

That's just the start.

**** can the driving schools for anything over a 10+ over the speed limit violation!

Dump the judges/magistrates ability to withhold and turn traffic court into a real court and not the kangaroo court it is at present.

Once people realize, hey, if I do such and such, I'm going to lose my license, then the ones that relly are concerned will get thier stuff together:thumbsup:

Those that don't give a damned, can be dealt with accordingly;)

There's too much to discuss and I have too much work to do.

It's all in one of my old archived posts on the matter somewhere on here.

G:wavey:

Z06 Rocket wrote:

:thumbsup::thumbsup:
I think you covered it very well:thumbsup:

Yea, I was young and invincible once too...... :banghead: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

It will pass.

I just hope you don't have to find out with a cellmate named Bubba that you are not as invincible as you think.... but if you do then you were warned...

:iagree:

Well put Rocket, sometimes it takes time or a life changing experience to adjust an attitude. Now Budda can adjust an attitude real quick :rolleyes:

Yeah my life changing experience was the moron in the RV who ran me off the road, while I was obeying every road law possible on my way from class. Now Im left permanently disabled in my leg.

Should have been dead, should I have to die because some old guy cant pay attention to the road while Im being the safe driver?

Should the thousands of ppl who die in dui accidents while the alchy walks away fine, be dead?

This is my final point, if IM on the road by myself in the middle of bum f*%$ you got a purdy mouth what does it matter if I kill myself doing something I want to do? Id have no problem going to a track to top out, but where in florida can you push those kind of limits? Only thing I know of is the texas mile, and I aint driving hours just to blow money on doing it on a highway. Whose to say the guy before me goes down the mile dumping oil, and I hit a oil patch and go for a roller coaster ride?


I do believe I stated this was a two way street, no side roads, no cross streets, no dirt roads, right off the pavement are 45-65* angle ditchs, there no "shoulder" to stop on, nor spot for someone to just hang out, you go in those ditchs you better have a 4x4 to get out.

Ive traveled this road many a time going to an from polk county. Seeing something bright an blurry object from a mere 2m is not really that hard specially when your going at it 176mph and its coming at you roughly 70mph, specially when I can make out buildings and lights from the northside howard franklin to the building to the west of the southend.

Ive gone to multiple sites with brake distance calculators. You know what none of them factor in, weight, type of vehicle, type of tire, kind of brakes your using.

Thirdly, they factor in average reaction time from average people. Im pretty sure I react faster then average. If the person is so far ahead of me, why would it take me so long to just go ahead an start applying the brakes? I dont stress out when danger is in the way, and that tunnel vision is :thumbsdown: imo. I saw every aspect of what was happening from when the car went out from under me, through a 180 in the street, to hitting the ditch an flying out into the newspaper box right to slamming into the tree.
Not everyone handles stress the same, same as reactions. Maybe you shouldnt bottle everyone up into the average norm group, think outside the box of what someone COULD be capable of and then factor the rest out.


At the end of the day, was doing 176mph stupid?....sure. Did I enjoy it?...yes, did anyone get hurt, no. Whats the problem?...nothing.

Hell, I WISH there was a place nearby where I could just push the C5Z to the limits of my wimplash factor legally. I don't care about the quarter mile stuff of running around donut shaped tracks or around orange cones. I would just like to let it all hang out to see how FAST I could go in a safe and legal manner in a straight line, till I feel like letting off of the accelerator.

Now, WHERE can I do something like that?

I just don't see where I said I was invincible? I said that I have done things that you disapprove of, and nothing bad happened most of the time. I didn't talk about the time I was racing and the tire blew and my car flipped. But I haven't gotten anybody killed. Whereas you seem to be trying to cast it like if you ever do it somebody will die.

Now if I pass gas, and somebody in Idaho suffers cardiac arrest, I will completely take responsibility for that. Cause I'm just that awesome (or potent, depending on how you look at it).:hehehe: But otherwise, don't try to demonize my actions because of what could happen.

And I find your stereotype of Bubba offensive. I have met one, and it was a mild, docile creature. A bit anti-social and I don't know how it would act when cornered, but I saw no danger in the specimen I observed.:crazy03: