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explain why I can't have a beer and drive
- Thread starter Coastal
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Bug Killer
Back in the good ol'days, we could have an open beer or mixed drink or whatever, as long as you were not intoxicated. Back in the '80s they passed the open container law. :icon_cheers:
JIM KILL
TampaBay Vettes
This is why!
This is why!
Remember....You asked!!
While there is no federal law prohibiting open containers in a motor vehicle (and both the 21st Amendment and the Commerce Clause of the Constitution of the United States likely would prohibit the United States Congress from passing such a law), the Transportation Equity Act for the 21st Century (often referred to as "TEA-21"), which Congress passed in 1999, created incentives for states to comply with certain federal requirements. Any state not in compliance has a percentage of its highway funds transferred instead each year to alcohol education funding. This is a similar approach to that which Congress took in 1984 when it passed the National Minimum Drinking Age Act, which successfully sought to get all states to adopt a legal drinking age of 21. TEA-21 has not met with the same success, as some states, like Missouri, openly refuse to implement new laws to meet its requirements.
To comply with TEA-21, a state's motor vehicle open container laws must:
Prohibit both possession of any open alcoholic beverage container and consumption of any alcoholic beverage;
Cover the passenger area of any motor vehicle, including unlocked glove compartments and any other areas of the vehicle that are readily accessible to the driver or passengers while in their seats;
Apply to all open alcoholic beverage containers and all alcoholic beverages, including beer, wine, and spirits that contain one-half of one percent or more of alcohol by volume;
Apply to all vehicle occupants except for passengers of vehicles designed, maintained or used primarily for the transportation of people for compensation (such as buses, taxi cabs, and limousines) or the living quarters of motor homes;
Apply to all vehicles on a public highway or the right-of-way (i.e. on the shoulder) of a public highway;
Require primary enforcement of the law, rather than requiring probable cause that another violation had been committed before allowing enforcement of the open container law.
Currently, 39 states and the District of Columbia are in compliance. Alaska, Louisiana, Tennessee, and Wyoming have similar limits on the possession of open containers in vehicles, but not to the level of TEA-21 compliance.
As of November, 2007, only one state (Mississippi) allows drivers to consume alcohol while driving (as long as the driver stays below the 0.08% blood alcohol content limit for drunk driving), and only eight states (Arkansas, Connecticut, Delaware, Mississippi, Missouri, Tennessee, Virginia, and West Virginia) allow passengers to consume alcohol while the vehicle is in motion. Still, local laws in these states may limit open containers in vehicles, although those local laws do not impact the state's compliance or noncompliance with TEA-21.
Hope you enjoyed!
:hehehe: JIM :hehehe:
This is why!
Remember....You asked!!
While there is no federal law prohibiting open containers in a motor vehicle (and both the 21st Amendment and the Commerce Clause of the Constitution of the United States likely would prohibit the United States Congress from passing such a law), the Transportation Equity Act for the 21st Century (often referred to as "TEA-21"), which Congress passed in 1999, created incentives for states to comply with certain federal requirements. Any state not in compliance has a percentage of its highway funds transferred instead each year to alcohol education funding. This is a similar approach to that which Congress took in 1984 when it passed the National Minimum Drinking Age Act, which successfully sought to get all states to adopt a legal drinking age of 21. TEA-21 has not met with the same success, as some states, like Missouri, openly refuse to implement new laws to meet its requirements.
To comply with TEA-21, a state's motor vehicle open container laws must:
Prohibit both possession of any open alcoholic beverage container and consumption of any alcoholic beverage;
Cover the passenger area of any motor vehicle, including unlocked glove compartments and any other areas of the vehicle that are readily accessible to the driver or passengers while in their seats;
Apply to all open alcoholic beverage containers and all alcoholic beverages, including beer, wine, and spirits that contain one-half of one percent or more of alcohol by volume;
Apply to all vehicle occupants except for passengers of vehicles designed, maintained or used primarily for the transportation of people for compensation (such as buses, taxi cabs, and limousines) or the living quarters of motor homes;
Apply to all vehicles on a public highway or the right-of-way (i.e. on the shoulder) of a public highway;
Require primary enforcement of the law, rather than requiring probable cause that another violation had been committed before allowing enforcement of the open container law.
Currently, 39 states and the District of Columbia are in compliance. Alaska, Louisiana, Tennessee, and Wyoming have similar limits on the possession of open containers in vehicles, but not to the level of TEA-21 compliance.
As of November, 2007, only one state (Mississippi) allows drivers to consume alcohol while driving (as long as the driver stays below the 0.08% blood alcohol content limit for drunk driving), and only eight states (Arkansas, Connecticut, Delaware, Mississippi, Missouri, Tennessee, Virginia, and West Virginia) allow passengers to consume alcohol while the vehicle is in motion. Still, local laws in these states may limit open containers in vehicles, although those local laws do not impact the state's compliance or noncompliance with TEA-21.
Hope you enjoyed!
:hehehe: JIM :hehehe:
329of1k
New member
I'll give you my opinion of why you can't have a drink and drive.:shrug01:
Because when you give an inch people take a mile. As good law abiding citizens you and I could probably control ourselves and not get carried away and get drunk behind the wheel. We could enjoy "a" cold beer on the way home from work each afternoon, but there are those among us in the world who cannot have just "a" beer and would drink an entire 6 or 12 pack on the way home. :NoNo:
Then they smash into you, me or whoever and cause problems. Or, LEO's and Fire Rescue are working a current accident and the drunk bastard smashes into them and injures or kills innocent people.:banghead:
I too would like to enjoy a beer in the car but it just doesn't work for everyone. Unfortunately you are able to drink at your home and then drive. Whether you get caught or not is the chance you take.
This is just my opinion and you can take it for what it's worth but that's just what I think would happen. By no means am I saying that you would drink too much. I am saying that other people would and it would result in bad things.
Probably way more of a response than you were looking for.:ack2:
Because when you give an inch people take a mile. As good law abiding citizens you and I could probably control ourselves and not get carried away and get drunk behind the wheel. We could enjoy "a" cold beer on the way home from work each afternoon, but there are those among us in the world who cannot have just "a" beer and would drink an entire 6 or 12 pack on the way home. :NoNo:
Then they smash into you, me or whoever and cause problems. Or, LEO's and Fire Rescue are working a current accident and the drunk bastard smashes into them and injures or kills innocent people.:banghead:
I too would like to enjoy a beer in the car but it just doesn't work for everyone. Unfortunately you are able to drink at your home and then drive. Whether you get caught or not is the chance you take.
This is just my opinion and you can take it for what it's worth but that's just what I think would happen. By no means am I saying that you would drink too much. I am saying that other people would and it would result in bad things.
Probably way more of a response than you were looking for.:ack2:
Coastal
New member
dui
when I first came to FL back in the early 90S you could stop & get A beer & drive down the street and not get stopped but those days are over!
when I first came to FL back in the early 90S you could stop & get A beer & drive down the street and not get stopped but those days are over!
floridaZ
New member
Well, I think it's also so that people don't get intoxicated while driving. You could have a .07% blood alcohol precentage, get pulled over, and go free. Then the police officer gets to watch you crack open another beer and drive off from the stop.
Now I don't like the Police much. I won't go into that here. But I do know that drunk driving is stupid, and that the world would be a much better place without it. There's alot of other crimes they could be watching out for (trust me on that) instead of dealing with drunk drivers. So making it easier for the drunk drivers to get away with it will frustrate the cops. This is bad for the non-drunk drivers he then comes into contact with.
That said, I do think that this is a silly law. I mean, there are people driving around with more than 15 prior DUIs, who still have a driver's license. You'd think that the resources that might be prosecuting the guy with an open beer can would be better spent pursuing that lady with 19 DWIs.
Now I don't like the Police much. I won't go into that here. But I do know that drunk driving is stupid, and that the world would be a much better place without it. There's alot of other crimes they could be watching out for (trust me on that) instead of dealing with drunk drivers. So making it easier for the drunk drivers to get away with it will frustrate the cops. This is bad for the non-drunk drivers he then comes into contact with.
That said, I do think that this is a silly law. I mean, there are people driving around with more than 15 prior DUIs, who still have a driver's license. You'd think that the resources that might be prosecuting the guy with an open beer can would be better spent pursuing that lady with 19 DWIs.
Z06 Rocket
New member
Man oh Man, I don't even know where to begin. This post has so many assenine remarks in it that I am just floored by your lack of common sense.
I won't even go into the "I don't like police much" because that is an opinion, and like a$$holes most of them stink, but oh well. Someone who doesn't like police enough to post it on a website like this one probably isn't liked much by the police either. Are you a frequent flyer?
Are you saying "Trust me on that" because of your own experience?
(just asking)
I wonder by what authority you can have the "Experience" or "Knowledge" to say that you should be trusted on criminal behavior......... Why should we trust you? You don't even like the police....
You are ruled over the limit at .08%, but can be impaired at .05% (in the courts eyes with testing you are able to be tried and convicted at that level) especially if any medication is involved (wether it is prescribed or not).
On to the real point of my response to your post.
I CANNOT FOR THE LIFE OF ME THINK OF ANY REASON THAT SOMONE WOULD EVER SAY THAT DUI'S ARE NOT WORTH THE POLICE TIME TO SEARCH FOR THEM OR INVESTIGATE THEM.
DUI's are one of the easiest tragedies to prevent, yet thousands of people get behind the wheel anyway. I can understand heat of the moment crimes where adrenaline or jealousy gets the better of someones emotions which may cause a fight, but DUI is a preplanned crime that is VERY easy to avoid. Cab rides, Friends as Designated Drivers, Walking home, Staying home to drink.... All ways to avoid becoming a statistic and ruining someone elses life forever. If you are lucky they die, and don't live on forever with burn scars, paralysis, amputations, and other drastically life changing injuries. If you want to hurt yourself go right ahead. Jump off the Empire State Bldg, or into the Grand Canyon, or however you wish to do it, BUT DO NOT SUBJECT ANYONE ELSE TO A LIFE OF HELL OVER YOUR IMMATURE AND BASICALLY RETARTED DECISION TO DRINK AND DRIVE.
DRIVING BUZZED IS DRIVING DRUNK!
Until you are effected by a DUI driver, or a loved one is.
Where is your anger? Is it the police that stop the DUI's and prosecute them (When they have better crimes to catch - Remember? Trust you.....) Or the Laws that are "SILLY" which allow the person to not be in prison after 19 DUI's? Or better yet the Judges that don't put them into prison after the third one (which is a felony in the state of FL)?
I will bet this person would want DUI's prosecuted.
(Scroll down through all the pics to see what kind of violent end someone who is sober has to suffer from when some selfish and irresponsible drunk only thinks about him/herself)
http://www.duipictures.com/depmark.htm
Do you want no enforcement or more enforcement to keep people from getting to 19 DUI's? You are pulling an Obama on that one and Flip Floping....
I wonder if you have the guts to watch this video. You are in the privacy of your own home, and can watch it or ignore it, but it is a good video I found when I read this crazy post of yours. Try to watch the first 4 minutes or so if you cant sit through the whole 9 minute video.
http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?vi...KkhxG9pGD&use_get_video_info=1&load_modules=1
Here are some pics of fatal crashes for you to look at in the privacy of your own home as well. I don't know how many of them are DUI related, but the end result is still the same. DUI drivers are just more likely to end up in this type of crash than if both drivers are sober.
Gory pics - beware
http://www.consumershero.com/archives/1030#more-1030
http://www.consumershero.com/archives/1018#more-1018
Z06 Rocket
New member
DVDCTA............................... :banghead: Post #13 applies to you too apparently.
floridaZ
New member
@Z06 Rocket
It is true that I don't like the Police much (in bold for comprehension purposes). I think that you are misunderstanding what I was saying though. I know 2 cops through my church, and they are good people. But as a whole, I'm not fond of them. They have a **** job, and alot of them develop bad attitudes because of this. I don't like to be around them or deal with them as a result. I don't hate the police, which seems to be what you are getting from my post.
As for my experience with crimes? I would choose to not answer this question. But it's not like you have to go too far to find a criminal at work. So when someone says that drinking a beer as you drive is illegal (thus proscecutable), and that it is a good use of police resources to prevent it, I can't help but to think about all the other crimes those resources could be better spent on.
And I'll saved the oversized red text for your future posting pleasure. But if I was to use some, it would say " I never said that I think DUIs are a waste of time for the Police to fight". If you are drunk, you shouldn't be driving. I used the DUIs as an example of what police time could be better spent on. Because it is true that there are people driving around with more than 3 DUIs, and I think that is a better use of resources than someone with a clean record drinking one beer.
I'm sorry if you are a cop and I offended you. But just ****ing deal, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. So don't preach to me the evils of drunk driving, I don't live in some utopia where all is good in the world, you know.
It is true that I don't like the Police much (in bold for comprehension purposes). I think that you are misunderstanding what I was saying though. I know 2 cops through my church, and they are good people. But as a whole, I'm not fond of them. They have a **** job, and alot of them develop bad attitudes because of this. I don't like to be around them or deal with them as a result. I don't hate the police, which seems to be what you are getting from my post.
As for my experience with crimes? I would choose to not answer this question. But it's not like you have to go too far to find a criminal at work. So when someone says that drinking a beer as you drive is illegal (thus proscecutable), and that it is a good use of police resources to prevent it, I can't help but to think about all the other crimes those resources could be better spent on.
And I'll saved the oversized red text for your future posting pleasure. But if I was to use some, it would say " I never said that I think DUIs are a waste of time for the Police to fight". If you are drunk, you shouldn't be driving. I used the DUIs as an example of what police time could be better spent on. Because it is true that there are people driving around with more than 3 DUIs, and I think that is a better use of resources than someone with a clean record drinking one beer.
I'm sorry if you are a cop and I offended you. But just ****ing deal, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. So don't preach to me the evils of drunk driving, I don't live in some utopia where all is good in the world, you know.