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USF Fires Football Coach
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Shadow
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Bigger question is, why?
Doesn't justify "striking a student"; however, it super jock was smarting off to the coach, maybe he needed a little addtitude adjustment? (just stirring the pot
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Sounds like a real f**k up alright
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Polygraph my boy:thumbsup: IF you're clean then sue the pants off Driveshaft, I mean genshaft...
Wonder "who" did the review?
Bradzvette
PW Pimp, keeper O' 'da thread
He struck a player, twice.
Fanhouse must be extremely pleased to be vindicated.
Over the years I have conversed with many football coaches from several different area high schools and the feedback I got on Leavitt was not very good. Basketball coaches and football coaches always talk to each other about recruiting and horror stories associated with it. Many HS caoches have actually steered their kids away from USF because of Leavitt recently. So this was not a surprise to me at all.
Dumb, just dumb.
Woody Hayes could get away with it to some extent, but apples and oranges comparing Hayes and Leavitt.
Bradzvette
PW Pimp, keeper O' 'da thread
Bigger question is, why?
A penalty was called against the kid on special teams, was pivotal in the game I think.
Doesn't justify "striking a student"; however, it super jock was smarting off to the coach, maybe he needed a little addtitude adjustment? (just stirring the pot
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The Wharton kid was actually a walk on, not a pampered blue chipper. Pretty good kid from what I have heard. Regardless, it is never warranted. There are a million better ways to hold a player accountable for their game conduct and performance.
Sounds like a real f**k up alright
Multi million dollar career ending F-up. Gonna be tough to recover fromt this and get trust back. Especially after denying it and trying to cover it up, I doubt anyone will consider him at all. As soon as the story broke he should have confessed, might have been able to salvage a career, but not now.
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Polygraph my boy:thumbsup: IF you're clean then sue the pants off Driveshaft, I mean genshaft...
Kid's story was backed up by other players, assistant coaches and non-support staff who witnessed the incident. Not the first time Leavitt had struck a player for F-ing up in a football game. Don't be surprised to hear more stories like this come out now that players know their scholarships are safe.
Wonder "who" did the review?
Each major college has a compliance staff I believe that have prior investigative experience and answer to the school president, independent of the athletic office. Again all the witnesses came forth and stories were consistent.
Second D-1 coach to go down for misconduct/mistreatment of players in a month.
Time for these guys to wake up and remember what coaching is about.
"Excellence is not obtained through fear and intimidation, but rather inspiration and preperation."
That has always been the foundation of MY coaching philosophy.
Cheers
Z06 Rocket
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I have not seen enough evidence to say he did it yet. I know that the player himself, and the father of the player both have recanted and changed their story several times in the media. I hope Leavitt is right in this case he sues the friggin pants off USF. I think it's more of a money issue just like it was for Leach over at Texas Tech. Both were in the start of new very high contracts. Leach was fired one day before an $800,000 dollar bonus was to hit his bank account. Fire the expensive guy and hire a new guy at less money. It's the business motto of alot of very large companies.
Suspicious indeed. :ack2:
Suspicious indeed. :ack2:
Bradzvette
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You could definitely be correct on that.
However, it wasn't the Wharton kid who said anything or tipped off Fanhouse.com, either a team manager or another player. The kid obviously believed in the philosophy of what happens on the mile stays on the mile. His coach at Wharton, who is a preacher or deacon I think, has steadfastly stated since the story broke that he was struck.
Also, think about it from the kid's and parent's stand point, did they want to be the ones to topple a nationally known coach and have the spotlight and attention? To me that would explain the waffling. If the kid himself initiated all this and no corroborating testimony then I would be suspicious. But if you read the report there were at least five witnesses to the incident from various backgrounds who confirmed what happened.
As far as TT Coach, well concussions are not something to mess with, let the trainers handle that. When I have had players hurt I always errored on the side of caution, regardless. I always have to live with myslef.
Just food for thought.
Cheers
Shadow
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I can understand the frustration, but as you said, regardless, it never justifies violence against a team member.
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I've seen and heard my share of "good kids" with smart mouths. I've also seen and heard my share of "hood rats" that were as polite as the day is long. Blue Chipper or from the hood...doesn't matter. I was actually being somewhat sarcastic with the "attitude adjustment" comment. Sorry if it came across differently.
Might be for now, but if it plays out differently in the end, it could be a multi-million dollar cost to the taxpayer and career ender for genshaft.
See, that's the problem. As an outsider, I have no way of knowing how much is fact and how much might be sour grapes?
Each major college has a compliance staff I believe that have prior investigative experience and answer to the school president, independent of the athletic office. Again all the witnesses came forth and stories were consistent.
Didn't rocket mention something about some inconsistencies or withdrawls in the statements? Does the president and this coach have a history? Answering to the president seems like a problem in itself. Seems like I'd want the accountable to some entity )state or PD) outside the university (I know the PD is "part of" the university, but the pres. has no authority over them.
Hopefully, the investigative staff have a decent investigative background. Screw something like this up and:NoNo:
Second D-1 coach to go down for misconduct/mistreatment of players in a month.
Not a good pattern. Maybe they need some of our "human diversity & conflict resolution courses....the touchy feely, feel good chit:lmao:
Time for these guys to wake up and remember what coaching is about.
It's a game. Some of these coaches (like the numskull from UF) take it too personally
"Excellence is not obtained through fear and intimidation, but rather inspiration and preperation."
Are you suggesting that someone should "earn" respect rather than "demand" it?:rofl1:
That has always been the foundation of MY coaching philosophy.
Not a coach, but it's the way I always tried to approach policing when I could. I agree:thumbsup::thumbsup:
Cheers
It'll be interesting to see how this continues to unfold.
Bradzvette
PW Pimp, keeper O' 'da thread
Oh no, you were right on with that. Shoot we benched five regulars last week becasue of bad attitudes (yeah they are good kids but are not with the game plan so to speak) and started five freshaman against Springstead. So no doubt your point was right on. Just passing along a pespective of 25 years of coaching and 11 years in the classroom dealing with kids.
Most college athletic walk-ons are fighting for a scholarship, usually they are not the PITAs, its the blue chippers that think they can do what they want to and have the attitudes. They think because they were recruited by several programs that they are the chit.
Also dont forget the kid's HS coach stepped up publically and supported him from day one, that was huge. If the coach is wrong, no D1 recruiter will ever visit Wharton again. And those HS players will go to Hillsborough, Plant etc.
We will see though.
Always good having a discussion with you Shadow, never a worry brother. :thumbsup:
Cheers
thebeepster
truth seeker
In the interest of discussion, here's another opinion: Yet another example of wimphood in our ever growing nanny society.
Any of us "old schoolers" who previously played contact sports, or gone thru military boot camp, have experienced motivational "thumps", "slaps", "punches", etc. We realized at the time that it was nothing personal from the coach or DI, but was just a part of our development into better athletes or military men.
Any good coach will tell his athletes that successful participation in the sport is a prelude to success in life...there are some hard knocks and disappointments along the way.
Military training is preparation for war and combat, not training for boy scouts.
Even the kid's father said (at first) that the incident was greatly exaggerated. I know that many believe that this mode of thinking no longer applies today, but our infatuation with political correctness has allowed this to be totally blown out of proportion...JMO.
Any of us "old schoolers" who previously played contact sports, or gone thru military boot camp, have experienced motivational "thumps", "slaps", "punches", etc. We realized at the time that it was nothing personal from the coach or DI, but was just a part of our development into better athletes or military men.
Any good coach will tell his athletes that successful participation in the sport is a prelude to success in life...there are some hard knocks and disappointments along the way.
Military training is preparation for war and combat, not training for boy scouts.
Even the kid's father said (at first) that the incident was greatly exaggerated. I know that many believe that this mode of thinking no longer applies today, but our infatuation with political correctness has allowed this to be totally blown out of proportion...JMO.
Z06 Rocket
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Shadow
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Z06 Rocket
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Yep, much like the panywaist liberals who put these brave Navy Seals on trieal for punching a man who ambushed and KILLED 4 Americans....
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