[Shadow]

Originally Posted by Rich Z

You pretty well summed up my feeling toward you and the matter as well Rich

First, lets clear the air on a couple of matters Phil.

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1) All state (county, city, federal, etc) records, unless specifically governed and/or protected by statute, ordinancve or "otherwise", or kept private by request (you have to request to have your info flagged),
are PUBLIC RECORDS

2) Whatever bobk does as an individual, he does so of his own accord. I'm not his baby sitter nor his mother, so I'm only going to say this once. DO NOT drag me or my company, into any pissing contest the 2 of you may have.

Your post makes it sound as though he accessed something that anyone here could not have accessed?
I doubt that is the case.
He would not have access to that sort of information (AFAIK?).

I'll tell you here and now to save you the trouble.
I nor anyone associated with me, has accessed ANY of your records, public or private.
Hell, until I read the message he was sending you (yeah, for some reason he felt the need to send it to me), I didn't even know your last name.

Kind of hard to access "private records" without a little more information don't you think?

The website was my idea, not bobs.
After some issues arose here, and based on come conversations with you and some others,, I decided to move forward with the idea of a multi make/model year muscle care site, not a Corvette specific site.

He and I were discussing it in passing and the next thing you know, we've got a site name?
I had to reign him in because I didn't have the time to deal with it at the moment and wasn't ready to move forward at the time.
It's not even an active site at present.

After I read the PM he was sending, I suggested that he NOT send it.

I sent you a very specific PM regarding this matter yesterday, and have not recieved a response.
Then I see it here, publically?

You know my position on the matter, so again, do not infer that I or my business had anything to do with it.
If there's anything unclear about that, you have my number and I think you realize that you can call me and speak freely about most anything.
Please feel free to call. I'll be happy to discuss the matter with you and can assure you, you wn't see it back here in print.

I'm not sure what "calling me out" means? but my business affiliation with Bobk, has been previously stated here.
I'm not going to go further into my business on this site.

If his affiliation with my company is a for you, then it's a problem for "you."
So be it

Where business is concerned, he actually does an admirable job
That said, it's business.

As with all organizations, there are people in all walks of life, yours included, that I don't care for either.
That said, I don't hold you accountable for thier actions now do I?

Exactly!!
However, if you read Rich's (redacted-cut out, covered or concealed for the uninitiated )post on the matter semi-quoting your response, it certainly doesn't read that way.

When you and I spoke, and you expressed an interest in gaining more participation from the "muscle car" groups in the area, I told you that I'd see what I could do?, and that I had a lot of friends and connections in that genre.'

You're correct, nothing was mentioned about a web site, because it didn't exist at that time

Thank you for making my point. Now, if rich will believe it, we're golden!

Phil,
Accessing the records is perfectly legal.

Making a false, scandalous, unfounded report on the other hand, especially after the facts are known, is quite another.

If he accessed state (Division of Corporations) records, City and/or County (depending on the venue) Occupational licensing, etc., all public records, he would I assume from your statement, find all the required documentation. After meeting you the other day, I have no reason to believe otherwise.

At that point, there would be nothing to report

Any actions after that could be considered scandalous, libelous or slanderous and could certainly lead to serious issues for him in court.

So, Bobk, if you're reading this from wherever...govern yourself accordingly.

Unfortunately Phil, Rich did drag you into this albeit, unsuspectingly.
Take a look:
[
QUOTE]at Richz request, I forwarded the two PMs from bob.

This is what rich asked:
Originally Posted by Rich Z
Phil,

I have a big favor to ask of you, please. Have you received any correspondence from either Shadow or Bob K concerning a solicitation to you concerning advertising? If so, could you please forward that correspondence to me?

I'm not going to drag you into the middle of anything, but I'm just following up on my "spider sense" tingling about them two and the vibrations I'm getting from them...

Thanks,

Rich Z

As you can plainly see:

1) Rich never indicated that he was going to post the content of your response on the web
Only implied that he was using it to shore up some sort of suspicions.

2) He failed to post the complete, unredacted version which would have resulted in a more complete picture.

3) He never indicates that it was he, that initiated the contact, and not vice versa.
His post makes it appear that the contact was "from" a member and states nothing about being "in response to" an inquiry from" him.

This is the problem with:
a) posting PM's
b) Posting out of context segments.

Had this been the case, I'd have never brought you into this in the first place.
Once again, an ASS-U-Me-ing has bit me in the arse!

As I said in another post, If I'm incorrect, I'll apologize!
Phil,
My apologies to you sir for any misunderstandings.

You have a good rep and are a fine gentleman, from what I hear, an excellent tuner, and I hope all goes well for you in your future endeavors

Now Rich,

I'm just following up on my "spider sense" tingling about them two and the vibrations I'm getting from them...

"spider sense"?
Really?
"tingling about them two (sic)"?

That's almost as bad as the "we don't need your kind around here" statement you threw at me once before

Have you received any correspondence from either Shadow or Bob K concerning a solicitation to you concerning advertising? If so, could you please forward that correspondence to me

Instead of all this sneek and peek, why not just pick up the phone (or if you don't want to have a "face to face" over the phone, then email me), and ASK!!!??????
I've always been up front and forthright with you, even when it cost me a position here before.
To a fault, I've always been honest with you about feelings and opinons.
There would be no reason to do otherwise now.

It's as simple as that, and all this nonsense would have been settled.

You never indicated to Phil that you were going to use portions of his statement on the internet to attempt to support your theories.

Finally,

Phil has a point!

This has turned into another (this is the 2nd or 3rd one (IIRC?)) childish, playground battle over who has more toys, friends, the bigger d**k or WTF ever?

It's immature and uncalled for (especially in this age of cell phones and emails) on both of our parts, and I regret not having the fortitude to not let you drag me into yet another unwillable pissing contest.
There's one thing I've found over 30 total years as a LEO is, if someone has thier mind made up, you're likely not going to change it.
Not sure why either of us are trying?

My apologies to the members of this site and to Phil.

As with the other one, I'm done with this thread!