• Got the Contributing Memberships stuff finally worked out and made up a thread as a sort of "How-To" to help people figure out how to participate. So if you need help figuring it out, here's the thread you need to take a look at -> http://www.corvetteflorida.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3581 Thank you, everyone! Rich Z.

If I.....

Kap142

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Being very very new to the Corvette scene, locate a Vette that I think is worth looking at are their folks of knowledge who can inspect the car to suggest to me a yes or no on the prospective purchase. I live in central Fl and see many far away, too far to fly and inspect particluary when my knowledge is so very limited? :shrug01:

Ken
 
My suggestion would be that you shop harder in Florida. This is probably the largest Corvette market in the country. I know, I know, Murphy's Law: when you get your money up, all the interesting cars move 3,000 miles away! :)

Resist. Screw Murphy. Look here in Florida. What are you looking for and where have you been looking? Also, whereabout in Central Florida are you?

If you're bound and determined to buy out of state, I would ask on the Corvette Forum (the big one, not this small friendly one) for help.

Have you been to Roger's yet? Do that. Now *that* is Corvette shopping. :)

http://www.rogerscorvette.com/
 
I just saw in other posts that you are looking for a chrome bumper C3. That's a little different, especially if you insist on 4-speed and factory air. Not too many of those around. Roger has a nice 4-speed 427/390 '69 at the moment, but no air.

Have you ever considered an aftermarket A/C unit, like what the street rodders use? These are very compact and look nice. Street rodders are even more anal than Vette owners. Vettes have a small interior volume and don't need a huge A/C unit.

We forget that A/C was an expensive and not very popular option up until the mid-70s, especially on 4-speed performance cars. Such cars with factory air are not only hard to find, they command a substantial premium.

If you're looking for one that's stock or near-stock, I would consider joining the NCRS, National Corvette Restorer's Society. This is where all the guys that are hardcore for original C1-3 hang out. Most of the action at the NCM and in online forums is with C4-C6, just from sheer numbers.

I'm sure you could find NCRS members to help check out a long-distance car. Such things are common in their world. Also, they will know who the trustworthy dealers are, and where the good cars are. Good chrome bumper cars a lot of time don't even get advertised, they go to someone who knows someone.

Lucky for you, the big NCRS winter meet is in Kissimmee on January 18-21. Go hook up with those guys, that is *the* crowd you need. Bring cash and you might well come home with a car. :)

Good luck, and if what I told you helps you find a car, can I get a ride? :)
 
Actually...

no by no means am I set on an out of state Vette. Would far rather buy within the state. No impact fees etc. I do want a C3 and yes the options are impt. I have no desire for an after market A/C unit as I want a factory unit.

I think I'll only do this once (I hope) so I want the "lady of my dreams"

Yep do have the NCRS info logged and I'll be there. Oh by the Way I live in Auburndale, Fl. kinda between Lakeland and Winter Haven which is between Orlando and Tampa.

As far as bring cash.... right... I'll be doing the X amount down and financing the bal untill retirement monies land apon my door step.

No have not been to Roger's but have been to the Toy Store in Largo. I am open to all suggestions, please send um on.

Ken :thumbsup:
 
Gannet said:
Screw Murphy.

Ask Rich about Murphy! :lmao:

Kap142 said:
No have not been to Roger's but have been to the Toy Store in Largo.

I live 3 minutes from the Toy Store. I wouldn't be much help. Not too mechanically inclined. About all I can do is look at it and take pictures! :hehehe:
 
Same here, I'm in Tampa and travel Pinellas County daily. As well, I work with an agency in Polk if you need something over there?

Very easy for me to check a Hillsborough/Pinellas county car for you though.

Happy to help as needed.

I went to the "other forum":lmao: to ask for help in looking at a Volvo for my daughter. It's in Virginia and a guy there is supposed to be checking it out for me. You can usually get some out of state help there if you need it.

Gordon
 
Well, I'm trying to figure out a way to offer CarFax reports here by setting up some sort of contributor memberships and offer it as a perk. Not getting very far talking to CarFax directly, as they keep shoveling some sort of affiliate thing at me to sell their product instead. So this just may not fly at all.

One thing that would be very helpful is if we had a way to tie into a dealer's database of service calls for a VIN. For instance I know the service writer at one of the local Chevy dealers and asked him about a car I am looking at and he gave me the scoop on every service call they had on record for the car. Of course, this isn't much use for older vettes, but for later ones, it could give a lot of info that would help see the service life picture of what you are considering buying.

Heck, just knowing how long the car has been sitting on their lot can oftentimes be very helpful in letting you know your bargaining leverage power. :)
 
Rich Z said:
Well, I'm trying to figure out a way to offer CarFax reports here by setting up some sort of contributor memberships and offer it as a perk. Not getting very far talking to CarFax directly, as they keep shoveling some sort of affiliate thing at me to sell their product instead. So this just may not fly at all.

One thing that would be very helpful is if we had a way to tie into a dealer's database of service calls for a VIN. For instance I know the service writer at one of the local Chevy dealers and asked him about a car I am looking at and he gave me the scoop on every service call they had on record for the car. Of course, this isn't much use for older vettes, but for later ones, it could give a lot of info that would help see the service life picture of what you are considering buying.

Heck, just knowing how long the car has been sitting on their lot can oftentimes be very helpful in letting you know your bargaining leverage power. :)

The data base idea is a great one if you can pull it off. CARFAX sucks!! and they piss and moan if you run a report for anyone else. I won't hold my breath for them to come around.

I keep waiting for them to get nailed with a class action suit for deceptive advertising anyway:lmao:
 
Gannet said:
Have you been to Roger's yet? Do that. Now *that* is Corvette shopping. :)

http://www.rogerscorvette.com/


While Rogers does have a large and impressive selection of VERY nice vettes, don't go if you want to bargain. He LITERALLY walked away from me and left a VERY SOUR taste in my mouth when I dared to utter the simple words -GASP- "Is that price firm?". I vaguely heard a "Yep" from across the room as he was about 20 ft away by then. A friend and I were so floored by the lack of courtesey, respect, and simple customer service that we just kind of stood there looking at each other for a minute. We then walked out and never returned.

I ended up buying the EXACT SAME YEAR / MODEL / COLOR / NEVER BEEN IN RAIN CONDITION / WITH 100 LESS MILES for $500.00 less from a private seller about 2 weeks later. The private sale was not bone stock like the Rogers Vette, and I got "free" 7k worth of aftermarket stuff because I was lucky enough to get snubbed by Roger himself.

I would probably not buy a Corvette there if I won the lottery, simply because of the extremely poor attitude and customer service I received there. I have friends that feel the same way from similar service.

I also will not support his car shows because the foul taste is still in my mouth over a year later.

Just my :twocents: . It's an opinion and everyone's got one.
 
Shadow said:
The data base idea is a great one if you can pull it off. CARFAX sucks!! and they piss and moan if you run a report for anyone else. I won't hold my breath for them to come around.

I keep waiting for them to get nailed with a class action suit for deceptive advertising anyway:lmao:

Yeah, I'm not all the keen on CarFax myself, but it does help at least a little bit. For instance, I was looking at a C6 on Ebay that is down in Miami, and CarFax alerted me to the fact that this car was obtained by the present owner via auction. That raised a red flag. So I looked closer at the photos and noticed that ALL of the spoilers underneath the front bumper had been ripped off, and there were some MAJOR scratches under the nose that I hadn't noticed earlier. Saved me from considering a trip down to Miami!
 
Rich Z said:
Yeah, I'm not all the keen on CarFax myself, but it does help at least a little bit. For instance, I was looking at a C6 on Ebay that is down in Miami, and CarFax alerted me to the fact that this car was obtained by the present owner via auction. That raised a red flag. So I looked closer at the photos and noticed that ALL of the spoilers underneath the front bumper had been ripped off, and there were some MAJOR scratches under the nose that I hadn't noticed earlier. Saved me from considering a trip down to Miami!


It's definately a place to start:thumbsup: Just don't depend on the reliability of thier info or thier buy back guarantee:(
 
you guys are awesome.

Just based on what's been experienced I won't even go look at Rogers'. I see no necessity in paying a guy to be a dick.

I did like the Toy Store Jim seemed nice and was helpful without being the least bit assertive.

I do watch a bunch of Vette sites and you guys are right, seem to be a good sellection within the state.

I hope to be ready to actually start the serious hunt in the next 3 months. Boy do I have a lot to learn.

As things get closer and I find something I think looks good I'll probably jump in and ask help in looking at the car and teaching me as you learned guys inspect. The help would be really appreciated.

Thanks to all. Hope to meet you guys in time.

Ken:thumbsup: :dancer01: :thumbsup:
 
i'm down in south florida (ft lauderdale area). i would certainly try to help someone out by taking a look (and more and perhaps better pictures) of a car down in this area. obviously even though i know enough about the mechanics etc, i wouldn't want to "inspect" a car for anyone other than for the obvious physical things like appearance, trim, etc. personally as an investment type purchase, i would certainly consider employing the services of a professional inspection/appraisal service. they are located nationwide and are worth the investment for your investment!!
 
good advise I'm sure

I appreciatre your advise and accept the wisdom. Can you (maybe) advise of any good dealerships who might be on-line with older vettes down in the south FL area? I have no idea if it's a valid conclusion but I imagine the prices down there (due to the metro area) might be a bit higher then up here.

Thanks for the input and to all my new friends out there web site addresses in FL for vette dealerships would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Ken:thumbsup:
 
Roger's a great guy imo, and he has the best cars. No, he doesn't bargain. He's not into the whole usual shuck 'n jive, let's-make-a-deal, kiss the customer's butt thing. Personally, I find that refreshing, not offensive. Others differ.

He has what he has, he has what no one else has, he asks a very fair price, and that's it. The thing with Roger is that there is *no question* as to the car's condition or provenance. He literally air-freights cars all over the world, sight-unseen, just based on his reputation. You may hear stories about his attitude, but you won't get any "stories" about his cars. I can't say the same for any of the other major Vette dealers in the state.
 
don't have the web site, but one of the local dealers down here is gold coast corvette. they've been around a long time and deal in just about everything. they aren't cheap however.

while not a corvette exclusive place, berliner classic cars on sterling road in hollywood has a great variety of cars including corvettes, and each of his vehicles is unique and in mint condition. the owners name is warren berliner. i'm sure he has a web site, but his operation is more of an exclusive type one. no questioning the quality of his vehicles however.
 
I'm a C4 and C5 generation owner and not as familiar with the older vettes. But here are some sites I found you may not have. The vette net could probably find what you're looking for. The others deal in the older cars it seems. If you find something in southwest Florida (Fort Myers area) there are several members of our club that own older vettes and I think they would be willing to help you out with questions, etc. Good luck!

http://www.vettehound.com/geo/classifieds.php?
http://www.thevettenet.com/Default.aspx
http://www.proteam-corvette.com/
 
Your post is kinda vauge as to what condition Vette you are looking for. Are you looking for a good driver, are you looking for a true survivor, are you looking for a car for you to fix up ? Truth of the matter is older Vettes, C2's, C3's do have common problems that sometimes the untrained eye might not pick up. Result of that is you either get ripped off or disappointed. Replacement parts for these cars can be very expensive. Most are available aftermarket, some are even still available from GM.

First off knowledge is power, the more you know about the car the better off you will be. When you decide on an exact year do research on it. Learn what was available on it new and how to find out if there are incorrect repairs and parts on it. A good source for this information is a book called
" The Genuine Corvette Black Book". Filled with production facts and all the information you will need to know about a specific year. Another publication is the "Corvette Restoration Source Book'. This is a good book to help you identify correct and incorrect parts on a car. Another great guide which I use all the time is a book called "Chevrolet by the Numbers written by Alan L. Colvin. This book tells you how to identify and verify all V8 drivetrain parts. All this info is important if you are looking for a numbers matching car. If you are looking for a car just to have fun in and drive and work on you might not care whether the numbers match or not, but if your making an investment and hope someday to sell it and make or recoup your investment you really want to make sure what your buying is truly what is being represented to you.

There are a few things to look for when looking at a car.

First, do the numbers match. Does the car have the original motor and trans. For maximin resale value and originality this is a must.

Second, does the car have any rust. Thats right rust. These plastic marvels do rust in certain areas, like the frame, and around the windshield. The frame is an easy inspection, primarily the side rails. Holes and rot should be avoided. The windshield inspection might require the removal of some trim.

Third, the body. This is a little tricky. Big Block cars tend to show more wear and stress cracks due to torque. Pay particular attention to the door pillar areas around the striker. Look for fresh paint and stress cracks. Also you don't want a car that has been wrecked. The bodies of old Corvettes are pieced together. For example the front fenders on a C3 are really made up of three main pieces. The top piece which is the fender tops and the front header around the headlamps, the lower side piece, and a bonding strip which goes between the two main pieces. Now a lot of replacements are made up of one piece. For example if a car was hit hard in the front it might have been fixed with a one piece nose which means the fenders and header are all in one and then hung on the car. This type of repair certainly lowers the value of the car. To check the car for this type of repair you would look in the fenderwells and look for the bonding strip and goop between the fender pieces. This also applies to the rear quarters.

Fourth, on C3's the vacumn operated headlights and wiper cover can be a major headache. If there is something on the car that doesn't work research it and see how much it will cost to fix it.

And lastly if their are missing parts and you want to make the car close to original, do some research, you might be surprized at how much these parts are. For example if the car is missing the ignition shielding and you want to add it it might cost upwards of $500.00 depending on the year. Older Vettes have expensive calipers and hubs and rotors. A car thats been around thirty of forty years might require thousands of dollars of parts and labor if you want it original. As you are relatively new to Corvettes I think it would definitely be to your advantage to have someone who is Corvette savvy look at any potential purchases you might make.

Bottom line here is be careful as the money you invest you might never recover if you buy the wrong car. True it is a hobby, but there are certainly people out there waiting and willing to take advantage of an unsuspecting person.

If your looking for an original unmolested car a great place to look is in Hemmings Motor News. Online at www.hemmings.com.
 
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