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Unread 12-02-2010, 10:04 PM   #1
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In the depths of the financial collapse, the U.S. Federal Reserve pumped $3.3 trillion into keeping credit moving through the economy. It eventually lent $57.9 billion to the auto industry — including $26.8 billion to Ford, Toyota and BMW.

The Fed on Wednesday was forced to reveal the identity of the companies it aided during the crisis, after contending to Congress that keeping their identities and the details of such lending secret was essential. Much of Wall Street, and corporate giants such as General Electric, Harley Davidson and McDonald's, took advantage of the Fed's help. We've done the math on how the Fed propped up the auto industry.

While Chrysler and General Motors had to go to Congress to beg for cash in 2008, every other automaker's finance arm was having trouble as well. Typically, once they lend money to a buyer, they sell the loan, get the cash upfront, then pump the proceeds back into the business. They also take out short-term loans called commercial paper that keeps the day-to-day business afloat. The crash cut the circuit, raising the chances the automakers couldn't make loans to buyers and keep selling new vehicles.

That's where the Fed stepped in. In normal circumstances, the Fed only lends money to banks, leaving the decisions about who should get credit to them. But when the financial markets started to collapse in late 2008, the Fed set up several programs to lend money directly to corporations, a highly unusual step.

According to the data, from October 2008 through June 2009 the fed bought $45.1 billion in commercial paper from the credit arms of four automakers - Ford, BMW, Chrysler and Toyota - along with GMAC (the former General Motors credit arm). Of those, Ford sold the most, with $15.9 billion.

The Fed also lent $13 billion to investors who bought bonds backed by loans to new car buyers from automakers and banks. The Fed made clear that while investors got the loans, the move was meant to keep the lenders in business; the credit arms of Ford, Chrysler, Nissan, Volkswagen, Honda and Hyundai all benefited directly. According to the Fed, the commercial paper loans have been paid in full, while some $2 billion remains outstanding on loans for bond investors.

Ford spokeswoman Christin Baker said the two programs "addressed systemic failure in the credit markets, and that neither program was designed for a particular company, or even a particular industry." Ford Credit had said it was taking part in both programs.

BMW told Bloomberg that the Fed lending "supported our financial profile and offered us an additional funding source, especially at times when the money markets and capital markets did not function properly and efficiently."

The secrecy surrounding the details of the loans only masked how much aid corporate America and Wall Street needed. While General Motors and Chrysler took the brunt of the blowback for relying on government handouts, the reveal of the Fed numbers show that a far bigger slice of the U.S. auto industry needed help.

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And I believe we are all the better for it...The loans are being paid back albeit slowly but surely...The economy is showing some signs of rebounding...Stock market has been rocking lately...Hopefully this will all seem like a bad dream some day...
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Maybe after our grandkids are done paying for it
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And I believe we are all the better for it...The loans are being paid back albeit slowly but surely...The economy is showing some signs of rebounding...Stock market has been rocking lately...Hopefully this will all seem like a bad dream some day...
Yeah...yeah...the economy is rebounding allright. I've seen gasoline go up 50 cents per gal in the last 90 days. Checked prices in your local supermarket lately? What about your latest bill for medical insurance? I'm sure there hasn't been an increase there! Unfortunately, our government continues to worsen our situation by bailing out the bad guys who helped give us this situation and printing more money while telling us there is no inflation...we had better wake up
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Yeah...yeah...the economy is rebounding allright. I've seen gasoline go up 50 cents per gal in the last 90 days. Checked prices in your local supermarket lately? What about your latest bill for medical insurance? I'm sure there hasn't been an increase there! Unfortunately, our government continues to worsen our situation by bailing out the bad guys who helped give us this situation and printing more money while telling us there is no inflation...we had better wake up
Exactly. We're not seeing prices rising, we're seeing the value of our money DECREASING as the supply gets flooded with all the "monopoly" money the Federal Reserve prints up and puts into circulation. On the surface, this appears to be beneficial to the economy when people realize what is going on and decide to spend their money before it becomes worth less tomorrow because of the inflationary effects that are coming home to roost. Short term, things will appear rosy because the economy is stimulated. Long term, savings and investments will be wiped out as the value of money eventually becomes nearly worthless. Eventually we will see the revival of the $1,000 bill, and even higher denominations to try to compensate for the wad of cash people will have to carry around to pay for goods.

This is really not looking good...
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Rising prices is nothing new, just see what it was like 40 years ago:

Ajax Cleaner 15 cents California 1970

Alka Selzer 39 cents Ohio 1971

Apples 59 cents for 4 pounds California 1970

Baby Lotion $1.59 Illinois 1978

Bananas 12 cents per pound California 1970

Bathroom Tissue 13 cents California 1970

Birds Eye Cool whip 38 cents Ohio 1971

Boneless Hams $2.29 per pound Nebraska 1976

Campbells Tomato Soup 10 cents California 1970

cantaloupe 89 cents for 3 California 1970

Celery 38 cents Ohio 1971

Clorox bleach 38 cents California 1970

Cranberries 29 cents per pound Ohio 1971

Crest Toothpaste 77 cents California 1970

Dogs Food $1.00 for 12 cans California 1970

Folgers Coffee $1.90 per pound Illinois 1978

Fresh Beef Liver 49 Cents per pound California 1970

Fresh Grapes 69 cents per pound Illinois 1978

Fresh Strawberries 29 cents per pound California California 1970

Fresh Turkey 43 cents per pound Ohio 1971

Frozen french Fries 69 cents for 5 pounds Ohio 1971

Frozen Pumpkin Pies 79 cents Ohio 1971

Frozen Vegetables 25 cents for 2 pks California 1970

Frozen vegetables 29 cents per pound California 1970

Frozen Vegetables 79 cents Illinois 1978

Fruit Cocktail 20 cents per can Ohio 1971

Grape jelly 25 cents California 1970

Grapefruit 99 cents for 10 California 1970

Ground beef 98 cents per pound Illinois 1978

Ground Round 79 Cents per pound Missouri 1970

Head and Shoulder Shampoo 79 cents California 1970

Heinz ketchup 19 cents California 1970

Hellmanns Mayonnaise $1.39 Illinois 1978

Idaho Potatoes 98 cents for 10 pounds Ohio 1971









jersey Maid Yogurt 19 cents California 1970

Jiffy Peanut Butter 59 cents Ohio 1971

Joy Liquid detergent 49 cents Ohio 1971

Land O lakes Butter $1.33 per pound Illinois 1978

Large AA Eggs 59 cents per dozen California 1970

Lettuce 10 cents each California 1970

Lifebouy Soup 19 cents per bar California 1970

margarine 59 cents per pound Illinois 1978

Medium Eggs 25 cents per dozen Ohio 1971

Miracle Whip $1.09 Illinois 1978

Mortons Frozen Dinners $1.00 for 3 California 1970

Mortons TV Dinners 36 cents Ohio 1971

NY Strip Steaks $2.39 per pound Illinois 1978

Onions 9 cents per pound California 1970

Oranges 7 cents per pound California 1970

Oscar Meyer Bacon 88 cents per pound California 1970

Pineapples 29 cents per pound Illinois 1978

Polish Sausage $1.98 per pound Illinois 1978

Pork Chops 59 cents per pound California 1970

Pork Roast 59 cents per pound California 1970

Pork Roast $1.33 per pound Illinois 1978

Pot Roast 79 cents per pound Illinois 1978

Potatoes Chips 89 cents 24 oz bag Ohio 1971

Potatoes 9 cents per pound California 1970

Roasting Chickens 98 cents per pound Illinois 1978

Sirloin Steak $1.19 per pound California 1970

Sliced Boiled Ham $1.39 per pound California 1970

Sliced bread 25 cents per loaf California 1970

Sliced Loaf Bread 16 cents Ohio 1971

Star Kist Tuna 29 cents per can California 1970

Sugar 39 cents for 5 pounds California 1970

Sweet Corn 79 cents for 10 California 1970

Sweet Potatoes 14 cents per pound Illinois 1978

Tomatoes 99 cents for 4 pounds California 1970

Tomatoes 19 cents per pound California 1970

Tomatoes 49 cents per pound Illinois 1978

Turkey 68 cents per pound Illinois 1978

Turkeys 58 cents per pound California 1970

Watermelon 10 cents per pound California 1970

Wieners 69 cents per pound California 1970

Deans French Onion Dip 50 cents Illinois 1978

ground Beef 99 cents per pound Illinois 1978

Rump Roast $1.69 per pound $1.69 per pound Illinois 1978

Sliced Bacon $1.29 per pound $1.29 per pound Illinois 1978

And the minimum wage was $1.50/hr
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Exactly. We're not seeing prices rising, we're seeing the value of our money DECREASING as the supply gets flooded with all the "monopoly" money the Federal Reserve prints up and puts into circulation. On the surface, this appears to be beneficial to the economy when people realize what is going on and decide to spend their money before it becomes worth less tomorrow because of the inflationary effects that are coming home to roost. Short term, things will appear rosy because the economy is stimulated. Long term, savings and investments will be wiped out as the value of money eventually becomes nearly worthless. Eventually we will see the revival of the $1,000 bill, and even higher denominations to try to compensate for the wad of cash people will have to carry around to pay for goods.

This is really not looking good...
We will be asking Mexico to trade in our dollars for Pesos!!

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