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Unread 02-12-2012, 04:44 PM   #11
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FREE STUFF....You must mean like the 1 billion plus we the givers of free stuff paid so the free stuff takers could have a cell phone.....
Yeah man.... When did it become some sort of Constitutional RIGHT that everyone MUST have a cell phone and internet access that is to be paid out of our taxes?
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Unread 02-13-2012, 08:09 AM   #12
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With his overwhelming win in Florida, I'm sure he'll make everything right for all.
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With his overwhelming win in Florida, I'm sure he'll make everything right for all.
Yeah, right..........




I think we will have NO good choices at this upcoming presidential election.
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Speaking of voting, THIS is interesting, I think....

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Speaking of voting, THIS is interesting, I think....
Rich....the caucus is a flawed process throughout the country. In the end when the delegats get to the convention they can vote any way they want. The bigger issue is to set up a standarized electronic system that the entire nation would use. Just my thoughts.
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Rich....the caucus is a flawed process throughout the country. In the end when the delegats get to the convention they can vote any way they want. The bigger issue is to set up a standarized electronic system that the entire nation would use. Just my thoughts.
Actually I believe the opposite. Electronic systems are way too easy to subvert by whoever controls the programming. Even today, how do YOU know that your vote was actually counted the way you voted? Can you go anywhere and check on that? Personally, I would like to see all voting made public record that could be verified by the people actually doing the voting. That people could see who voted for who and VERIFY that the votes are legitimate. Seriously, I don't have any problems letting people know who I voted for, and based on the number of signs, discussions, and bumper stickers, it doesn't seem like many other people have any issues with that information being public neither. The whole concept of secret balloting is just a recipe for fraud and corruption.

Heck, I happened to wander into another YouTube video last night that I thought was rather interesting even though the source is a bit unusual....



Do you ever get the feeling that we are just cattle too ignorant and distracted to see the fences that surround us and where the path we are on is leading us?
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Speaking of free stuff. I'd just like to see a list of the other countries we give foreign aid to meaning both cash and arms.
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Actually I believe the opposite. Electronic systems are way too easy to subvert by whoever controls the programming. Even today, how do YOU know that your vote was actually counted the way you voted? Can you go anywhere and check on that? Personally, I would like to see all voting made public record that could be verified by the people actually doing the voting. That people could see who voted for who and VERIFY that the votes are legitimate. Seriously, I don't have any problems letting people know who I voted for, and based on the number of signs, discussions, and bumper stickers, it doesn't seem like many other people have any issues with that information being public neither. The whole concept of secret balloting is just a recipe for fraud and corruption.


Do you ever get the feeling that we are just cattle too ignorant and distracted to see the fences that surround us and where the path we are on is leading us?
Rich...how about a standardized "manual" system. As far as recording who voted for whatever becoming a public knowledge I think you and I will part ways on that one. There are people that own businesses, police officers, fire fighters and yes even some regular everyday folks that would not care to have their votes become public knowledge.

And about that path and where it's leading us. One way to correct that is to make sure your vote counts. Not unlike you, I too am concerned about the direction of the country.

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Rich...how about a standardized "manual" system. As far as recording who voted for whatever becoming a public knowledge I think you and I will part ways on that one. There are people that own businesses, police officers, fire fighters and yes even some regular everyday folks that would not care to have their votes become public knowledge.

And about that path and where it's leading us. One way to correct that is to make sure your vote counts. Not unlike you, I too am concerned about the direction of the country.

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Personally, I believe that the authority that comes with voting needs to have the responsibility for the choices you make attached to it. If you are not willing to stand behind your vote, and damn the torpedoes, well, is that what America has really become? People AFRAID to admit who they voted for?

I believe that the shirking of this responsibility that should be inherent in the voting process is exactly what has gutted it into the farce that it is today. WE allowed our votes to become meaningless because there is no way for us to audit it after the fact. How do you run a recount with a purely electronic system? Just press a "recount" button that will ALWAYS give you the same answer? Yeah, that would be helpful. No there needs to be a verifiable physical document of some manner that can be used to VERIFY that the votes made are legitimate and accurate. Otherwise the winner of any such unverifiable elections can be whoever it is that controls the voting process WISHES to win.
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Speaking of free stuff. I'd just like to see a list of the other countries we give foreign aid to meaning both cash and arms.
I'm sure that if we could get a TRUTHFUL accounting of that, we wouldn't like what we would see. Which is exactly why I think we would NEVER be able to actually get a truthful accounting of where our money really goes.
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