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[Rich Z]

Originally Posted by Bob K

Almost anyone in the state of Florida can legally own this weapon. It's my opinion that this is a special purpose assault weapon and folks that want or own one of these should be required to at least be trained in the use of same. I am opposed to John Q Public owning one of these and I'm not going to change my opinion and you won't change yours.

That is the same sort of argument that the anti-gunners used in the "assault weapon ban". Those guns are no more accurate nor dangerous, nor fire a cartridge any different then, and other semi automatic weapon that uses the same caliber cartridge. It's just that they are scary looking to some people, and to them that equates to being more dangerous, and more capable of causing mass destruction at the hands of someone using it. Quite frankly, I would fear an accomplished shooter behind a bolt action target grade rifle any day of the week over some gang banger with a semi auto AR-15.

Originally Posted by Bob K

You can argue I want to take away your freedoms but I disagree. You do not have a right to own a fully automatic weapon or metal piercing bullets and I could add more to the list but you get the idea. I'm done.

Well of course I disagree. The intent and purpose of the Second Amendment was exactly because the founder's intent was to keep the civilian population armed sufficiently enough to keep the government in check. I don't know why anyone would find it surprising that the entity that the Second Amendment is designed to protect us from would make every attempt to neuter those shackles. As for full automatic weapons, if I am willing to pay the $200 tax stamp and go through the red tape, yes, I can have one. And it is my belief that even those restrictions are blatantly unconstitutional. As for metal piercing bullets, if you shoot a 30-06, then yes, you DO own them yourself.

So again, please read the Second Amendment and point out to me where it says that any particular TYPES of firearms are restricted for use and ownership by "the people".

[floridaZ]

Originally Posted by Bob K

You can argue I want to take away your freedoms but I disagree. You do not have a right to own a fully automatic weapon or metal piercing bullets and I could add more to the list but you get the idea. I'm done.

I'd just have to toss it out there that regardless if you are killed with a .22, or killed with an anti-material armor piercing round, you're just as dead. Short of actual anti-tank weaponry and explosives (Claymores, RPG7s, grenades), I don't see any logic behind some of the weapons bans. You never know when 20 robbers will come in through your window with knives and they need to be "taken care of" rather quick.

Anyway, I'd definitely be interested in entering the raffle. God help us all if I win though!

[Z06 Rocket]

IF GUNS ARE OUTLAWED ONLY OUTLAWS WILL HAVE GUNS.

As a pro LEO person I fully agree with Rich and Shadow. I, and my family, do not fear the law abiding people who own and or carry guns. If we outlaw guns then they will be made in a sh**ty 3rd world country and still be here to terrorize the innocent civilians. The fear of the "victim" having a gun keeps most of the "bad guys" in check.

In countries that have banned guns (like the UK and Australia) homocides and home invasions and murders have gone way up - maybe something like 300% if I remember correctly. The "Citizens" have to live behind huge walls and in fortified enclosures like "criminals" to survive. In those places the knife assaults have doubled and or tripled, and have not stemmed the flow of violence.

Look at the USA... Chicago is contemplating calling out the National Guard because they have a record number of homicides. They have a VERY strict gun law. Add in Washington DC, the murder capitol, and make sure you throw in New Yawk, where a police man from another state was criminally charged with shooting a criminal because he didn't have the permit in their extremely strict gun laws state.

As FloridaZ said any gun can kill you. I have seen too many times when a .22 kills a police officer, so trying to call a gun an "assault" rifle to get it banned is a cheap and sorry scare tactic to sensationalize it for the sheep of the world.

[Rich Z]

Originally Posted by Z06 Rocket

IF GUNS ARE OUTLAWED ONLY OUTLAWS WILL HAVE GUNS.

A corollary of this statement is:

IF GUNS ARE OUTLAWED I WILL BECOME A CRIMINAL.

[Shadow]

I agree with the above....now back to the raffle.....How many tickets you want Rich....Rocket....

Gotta keep that homefront safe.

It'd make a sweet patrol rifle

[Kap142]

OK Gordon I'm in for five tickets. Let me know how to get you da money.

Have you noticed that Richz is getting kinda feisty in his old age!

[Rich Z]

Originally Posted by Kap142

Have you noticed that Richz is getting kinda feisty in his old age!

And just think, this time next year I'll be a year older......

[Bob K]

Originally Posted by Rich Z

And just think, this time next year I'll be a year older......

That beats the alternative.

[Kap142]

Brother I'll be right there with you

Originally Posted by Rich Z

And just think, this time next year I'll be a year older......

[Shadow]

Originally Posted by Kap142

OK Gordon I'm in for five tickets. Let me know how to get you da money.

Have you noticed that Richz is getting kinda feisty in his old age!

Thanks Ken.

Yeah, I've noticed that recently