Ok G......the truth is out there for anyone who wants to look..they know where just make sure they search under your other forum name on the other sites.
I know they know because they emailed me the links
The reason you were banned was given to you as why you were allowed back.
Without going into specifics
Personal attacks 11/10/07
Bashing of Corvetteforum/IB/Moderators 12/20/07
Restored 12/27/07
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Restored on promise to abide by Forum rules, stop posting disruptive threads and make peace with pewter 99.
Criticism of Moderation 2/19/08
none of these user notes were posted by me....
as for this
During the exodus, some of the other sites (DC/Valley,etc) were experiencing new memberships in the double and triple digits. Guess where they were coming from? Just a fluke I guess?
we didn't ban but less than 20 people ....most came back..we permanetly banned maybe.
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anyway....my name was thrown out here and the references to LEO and IP masking were directed at me...
http://www.corvette-guru.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3749&forum=3&post_id=34045
enough of wasting Richs bandwidth on this
I guess you didn't believe me when i said enough was enough?
Feel free to search anywhere one cares:
Here ya go:
Streetknight-Corvette Forum
Streetknight-DC
Shadow-Corvette Florida/Corvette-Guru/CorvetteActionCenter
Pirate-CorvetteValley/Smokinvettes.
See, I really have nothing to hide.
"They" huh? ok
This:
Without going into specifics
Personal attacks 11/10/07
Bashing of Corvetteforum/IB/Moderators 12/20/07
Restored 12/27/07
...was a joke!
Instead of trying to be cryptic, please feel free to be specific. If I said something, you can danged well believe I meant it!! And I don't hide behind curtains to do it and I could really care less who knows it.
I'm still not sure where they got the "personal attacks" on 11-10-07? unless it was my response to the newbie from Arizona with the macho attitude?
If that was it, so be it. I let his smart mouth get under my skin. BTW, if that was the case, I was still
NEVER INFORMED as to "why" (specifically) I was banned, nor did I EVER recieve a warning about my "conduct." Frankly, I didn't see it as that bad. Seesm to me the lad simply bit off more than he could chew then went whining to the mods/admins when someone set his butt straight. But what do I know?
Regardless, I was NEVER informed. If you were told otherwise, then you were misinformed.
The next ban on 12-20-07 was what I like to call, the political censorship ban:lmao:
IB had just purchaed the Forum and there was turmoil and lots of it. Even some of the mods had no idea this was happening until after it occurred.
When the members began to complain, regardless of what thier complaint may have been, the administration took an I don't care, don't complain attitude and tuned them out.
Instead of responding to members suggestions, complaints and inquiries, the forum admins and moderators chose to IGNORE THEM, and tell them to stop discussing the problems, percieved or otherwise.
I realize after while, the complaints became redundant. But that in itself should have tld you something?
Instead, they chose to ban/moderate anyone who disagreed with them or IB or spoke even remotely negative things about the takeover. A childish position at best.
If anything was mentioned about IB, the buyout, the site, the pop-ups, anything even resembling a critical statement (such as you've done repeatedly here), it was quashed!
Instead of acting like
friends among friends, they chose to act like IB employees and totally tune out the long time forum members that were asking questions and making suggestions to improve the site.
One thing shone brightly through the entire ordeal...the forum administrators/moderators were totally unable to accept criticism, constructive or otherwise and had no interest in the concerns of the membership. It was all about the $$$$.
If you took the time to read
all my post, not just the ones you (or whomever?) disagreed with, you'd be hard pressed to find many if any incidents of actual "bashing" on Corvette Forum.
In the steering committee section, which was a
LIFETIME SUPPORTING MEMBER BENEFIT, which BTW, seemed more adrift than being "steered," there were a
LOT of complaints. Everything from the pop-ups to the banning of long time members for absolute nonsense. Once again, the admins turned a deaf ear.
We had vendors (who pay upwards of 24k/year for the "priviledge" of being there) being upstaged in thier own threads, by pop-up ads offering the same or a similar part or service at a lesser cost!!!
The answer? Just have the vendor block the pop up so they (vendor) can't see it. This did nothing to resolve the problem, just masks the symptoms.
When the staff stops listening to it's members, things go badly. And they did.
You'll also find post after post where I tried to mediate, to ask the other members to give IB a chance to work out the bugs and make things work. Guess that qualifies as "bashing.":lmao:
BTW, If you notice, all of these alleged "violations" occured AFTER the IB buyout. Interesting if nothing else.
Restored on promise to abide by Forum rules, stop posting disruptive threads and make peace with pewter 99.
Thats correct:thumbsup:
Although I dont' recall a "disruptive thread" I agreed to "stop" anyway:lmao:
After the 1st ban, I spoke with Jim via pm (he too has no idea how to use a telephone:lmao
. We agreed that I'd not piss in anyones cornflakes and I abided by that agreement. For what it's worth, Jim is as hard headed as you if not moreso. And as narrow minded and one sided as they come. Typical newpaper person
(at least thats what I was told he did for a living?)
I told him that I'd tried to "make peace" with you, but you didn't seem too interested. I'm not going to kiss his or your backside to make peace. If you don't have what it takes to discuss our differences man-to-man in a professional manner, then that's not my problem.
I have always abided by the forum rules in the past and other than that one moment, never had an issue. I've always tried to positively contribute to the forum and assist anyone I could what what they needed. I've gone to the fundraisers in torrential downpours to honor a fallen member, and worked to help support St. Judes (which I now do on my own) Yet, how many years and how many posts later I'm a bad guy?? Lets just say my dance card was full:thumbsup::lmao: Along with beaucoup others in the same genre? See a pattern here? Eh, you probably don't.
I probably had less than 20 posts from the reinstatement until the next ban. I read and if there was something I could help a member with, I sent them a PM. I pretty much stayed off the forum and under the radar.
Then this:
Criticism of Moderation 2/19/08
Well, how 'bout that sparky! This is the 1st time since 2-19-08 that ANYONE has mentioned this:thumbsup: Musta been "classified", you know, FOUO:rofl1:
That was NEVER relayed to me by pm, e-mail and unless it's been added in the last few hours, doesn't appear on the ban notice when I tried to log in
And of course, I've seen you several times in person and you've yet to say a thing!
Now I'd ask you (or whomever?) to show me where I was "criticising moderation" which led to the ban?
My thought is your mods/admins are too thin skinned for your own good and too heavily ingrained in the IB lifestyle to know the difference between a statement and a criticism
You "assume" too much and don't take time to listen (this isn't directed at YOU specifically but to the site in general).
BTW, while we're on the subject of PM's, it was brought to my attention by one of the former, long time and well respected moderators from there that now posts elsewhere, that reading (at least certain peoples) PM's had become routine
If thats' true, the entire staff should be ashamed of themselves!!
And you wonder why there's a lack of respect?
I think you'll find that there were overall, well over 20 people banned, either permanently or temporarily or placed in moderation.
Sure some came back and some are still there. They talk about it all the time on the other sites, why they stay. They stay to read and check out the sale sections and GP's. Some also logged out and refuse to come back but I guess they're not missed.
The brain trust of the early model sectons went elsewhere as did the mainstay of the C4 section.
If you happened to go to DC, you'd have seen member after member after member from the CF signing on there and the intros were almost always the same:yesnod:Tired of the mods/admins/IB and the BS! Most of them went to and stayed in the OT section there.
But again I wouldn't expect you to see that.
anyway....my name was thrown out here and the references to LEO and IP masking were directed at me...
http://www.corvette-guru.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3749&forum=3&post_id=34045
Funny you should come up with that particular (locked) thread. Guess that was sent to you as well?
Eh, it is entertaining reading.
You know, as with fingerprints, most people have a writing style that follows them. Certain words, phrases, punctuation, etc.
Yes, your name was thrown out...but not by me. If others saw the same thing then maybe there's something there????? Why would you have even known about this? Oh, that's right, "somebody" pm/e-mailed it to you.
All I can tell you is, if the shoe fits....
Ok, we've now that we've aired our differences publiclly, good or bad, for better or for worse, lets get back to the business of CorvetteFLorida.
One thing you'll find about me is I'm very blunt and straightforward. If I say something, it's because I mean it. I generally think things through before I say/type them, but like anyone esle, I'm human and on occasion something slips that shouldn't. Sue me!
As previously stated, I've offered several times to sit down with you and discuss these issues. It seems you're once again either being mislead or just plain shortsighted.
You have to take the TOTAL post and threads into consideration before you can really determine what was meant. Piecemeal such as this is for the most part, worthless.
You mentioned that "they" have sent you messages. Trust me when I tell you that I've gotten many complaints form current and former CF members regarding the site, the way they were treatetd and the moderators/admins.
I usually let them vent, tell them to forget about it or not go back and to move on.
I've been asked why you're here? I've even been asked why I have'nt banned you?
My response? Simple.
You have a
RIGHT to be here and speak your piece and haven't done anything "to" be banned.
I'm not "after" you nor am I "stalking" you as you once surmised:rofl1: Thats just paranoia.
As far as CF goes, I've supported that forum for years and paid to do so. I've also gone out of my way to promote it. To be treated like that was uncalled for and certainly not the way I'd treat a "friend."
Finally,
yes, after that last "you're outta here" with no explanation, I was angry!!
And yes, I've voiced my dispeasure regarding the site, IB, you, Jim, some other mods and even Jesse who until now I've considered a close friend
in the past. I don't retract anything. Everything I said was either justified and/or backed up with fact.
It wasn't said on CF so it's really no ones business. If "people" from other sites are sending you e-mails/pm's about it, then I feel sorry for them
But it's nothing I wouldn't say to your (or anyone elses) face.
It lasted a brief while and it was over. Out of my system and on to greener pastures.
I have no time, energy or desire to carry on that negativity. It is what it is and what it is, is counter productive.:thumbsdown:
But coming on here and bashing our site and it's administration/moderation is not and will not be tolerated any longer.
If you want to help and assist us with our growth, please feel free to join in. You assistance will be greatfully accepted. If not, then please refrain from the negative diatribes and innuendos.
If there are other issues, please feel free to pick up the phone, you have my number. If you want to talk, once again, I'll be happy to sit down with you and we can attempt to clear the air.
I won't accept or respond to anymore of your irrational, demeaning or condescending PM's.
As CF has in thier "rules", (PP) on occasion a member may become so obnoxious that they may be banned for no other reason...
The matter is CLOSED:wavey: