Here's A Good Topic For Ray's Ranting Room

[Rich Z]

Seriously, would anyone in a position of REAL power allow themselves to be voted out of office?

[Kap142]

Originally Posted by Shadow

Thats not just the Clinton administration. Even this administration has neutered the military while at war Base closings, cutbacks, lengthened deployments.....the list goes on......

We really need a change. I just don't see much on the horizon, but who knows?

You boys battle this one out amonsg yourselves. I'm going to go have a beer

I'm with you Gordon

[C5Rick]

I hate discussing politics, but I didn't vote for Reagan, Bush1 or Bush2.
I believe Busch1 started the mess we are in now as a result of Busch 1 failures. I also believe 911 was a result of his blundering ( Busch1). Busch 2 doesn't know how to get it finished, but some cronies are lining their pockets. As for Reagan, selling weapons to Iran to aid Contras ... I know this isn't as bad as playing head games under a desk.

[als2052]

Originally Posted by C5Rick

I hate discussing politics, but I didn't vote for Reagan, Bush1 or Bush2.
I believe Busch1 started the mess we are in now as a result of Busch 1 failures. I also believe 911 was a result of his blundering ( Busch1). Busch 2 doesn't know how to get it finished, but some cronies are lining their pockets. As for Reagan, selling weapons to Iran to aid Contras ... I know this isn't as bad as playing head games under a desk.

Its the one topic where everyone has an opinion...

[silverback]

My dear old daddy always said not to talk politics nor religion. And opinions are just like assholes, everyone has one. Did Hussien need to be removed?
yes. Do we need to fight terror over there? yes
Did Clinton balance the budget by cutting spending, military, SS, and medicially? yes
Did Clinton have offered the head of Bin Ladin on a silver plate? yes
Has this country not been attacked from middle east terrorist for years? yes
So what is the answer, I DO KNOW, but if one or all of you do, then run for the presdency and straighten this out.

[Shadow]

Originally Posted by silverback

My dear old daddy always said not to talk politics nor religion.

Your daddy was right

And opinions are just like assholes, everyone has one.

Right again

Did Hussien need to be removed?
yes.

But....there's always a "but" to go with that opinion...we needed an exit strategy and "plan" for installing a new central government. That we didn't really have

Do we need to fight terror over there? yes

Not really. we're not "fighting terror" over there, remember? We're there trying to install Democracy and a free government to the people of Iraq At least that's what we're being sold.

If we wanted to fight "terror", we'd be in Syria, Iran, Yemen, et al and focus the bulk of our military operations, manpower and equipment on finding Osama

Did Clinton balance the budget by cutting spending, military, SS, and medicially? yes

remember, the cutbacks started long before Clinton and continue under Bush Jr. We can't blame this mess on one president or one party.

Did Clinton have offered the head of Bin Ladin on a silver plate? yes

He screwed the pooch on that one, but again, different time, different place in history. If you'll recall, we once SUPPORTED the Iraqi government. When people mention Iraq having "weapons of mass destruction", they're right! We gave them to them, trained them and allowed them the use

Has this country not been attacked from middle east terrorist for years?
yes

Yes, and you can thank intelligence sources, law enforcement and the like for the lack of activity. Once we got our heads out of our collective asses and began (to a degree) exchanging information, reviewing intel, and talking to each other, there were several terrorist plots foiled both here and abroad. The agencies responsible for these catches? FBI, CIA, Secret Service, ICE...to name a few.

So what is the answer, I DO KNOW, but if one or all of you do, then run for the presdency and straighten this out.

No thanks, doesn't pay enough!

Now...where did I put that beer?????

[LMB 4 ME]

Originally Posted by als2052

1. Why are we in Iran?

2. Why are we in Afghanistan?

3. Why are we getting ready to do same in Iran?

4. What did we accomplish in Vietman?

5. What are we doing in Pakistan?

6. Why are we not taking care of ouselves first?

All I can say is AMEN MY BROTHER!

[ynkedad]

Originally Posted by Shadow

Thats not just the Clinton administration. Even this administration has neutered the military while at war Base closings, cutbacks, lengthened deployments.....the list goes on......

Base closings?... Which ones were closed under THIS admin?

Cut backs actually bagan back in the Regan Administration. He started an Early Out program for people who weren't planning on staying in the military.

As far as Lenghtened deployments, that's not uncommon during war time.

[TxMomma]

NEVER FORGET.......NEVER SURRENDER. No matter who is in office, whether we approve or not, we need to be united as a Nation for our troops. The bickering back and forth between the "parties" is for the birds. There are things about each administration that I don't agree with......but I refuse to pin one thing on just one administration, I for one know that I couldn't have done the job any better than the past 8 Presidents we've had in office. Again, just my .02

[ynkedad]

Originally Posted by silverback

My dear old daddy always said not to talk politics nor religion.

I actually teach my kids this golden rule, as it could potentially ruin friendships etc.

That being said...Because we don't openly talk about such things, the Government does what it wants.
Seems like a lot of Americans just don't want to be bothered with it (Politics) and just want to live in a fantasy world where things are going to work themselves out.

What Has become acceptable is.. The Media, TV Personalities, Musicians and Politicians are allowed to publicly talk about Politics and we the people should only discuss it within the confines of our own home.
So what happens is, the ONLY outside opinions we get are from the above mentioned and they usually aren't unbiased opinions, because they have their own agenda.

Talking leads to knowledge... Knowledge leads to power.