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Unread 02-23-2011, 08:17 PM   #1
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Just curious...looking like a one termer to me...
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Unread 02-23-2011, 08:59 PM   #2
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He's not well recieved in the Tallahassee area what with all us Govt' employees. I'll probably have to retire early to keep him from plundering my money....I understand though....if others before him had done what they needed to do we wouldn't be in this situation now.
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Heck his story line about state workers is just nonsensical. Saying that they make more than the private sector and need to bring their salaries and benefits down to the private sector's level is hogwash. Unless you are in the upper levels of state government, the reason you have the job is because you are willing to make less because the benefits package is worth more to you and you are willing to take the cut in pay. Unless things have changed drastically from the time I worked in state government, this was pretty much the rule across the board. You can't just take an average across the board of salaries simply because nearly all positions in state government are professional or clerical in nature. You can't compare that with an average in the private sector that has a large bulk of minimum wage jobs doing manual labor, being cashiers, waitresses and anything else that doesn't have equivalent low scale paying jobs in state government. So this apparently is just smoke and mirrors, because as a businessman, he HAS to know this.

Seriously, why would anyone have spent the kind of money he did to become governor? If he is truly a business man, then what kind of business decision was this for him? I'm thinking that maybe some one (or ones) in state government pissed him off a while back and this is now payback time. You know, like if some store employee pisses off some rich guy and he BUYS the company just so he can fire the dude. That sort of thing.....
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Heck his story line about state workers is just nonsensical. Saying that they make more than the private sector and need to bring their salaries and benefits down to the private sector's level is hogwash. Unless you are in the upper levels of state government, the reason you have the job is because you are willing to make less because the benefits package is worth more to you and you are willing to take the cut in pay. Unless things have changed drastically from the time I worked in state government, this was pretty much the rule across the board. You can't just take an average across the board of salaries simply because nearly all positions in state government are professional or clerical in nature. You can't compare that with an average in the private sector that has a large bulk of minimum wage jobs doing manual labor, being cashiers, waitresses and anything else that doesn't have equivalent low scale paying jobs in state government. So this apparently is just smoke and mirrors, because as a businessman, he HAS to know this.

Seriously, why would anyone have spent the kind of money he did to become governor? If he is truly a business man, then what kind of business decision was this for him? I'm thinking that maybe some one (or ones) in state government pissed him off a while back and this is now payback time. You know, like if some store employee pisses off some rich guy and he BUYS the company just so he can fire the dude. That sort of thing.....
Nope nothings changed. The job is supposed to be a solid one that is one of the last to be cut or laid off, and the flip side is that you get less pay with that security.

If you want to know who pissed him off, just think back to the investigation of corruption/theft/fraud/etc with the hospital money. The state and police.
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Unread 02-24-2011, 07:58 AM   #5
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Let's not forget that the tax cuts and at least talk of state reduction, was started well before Scott took office.

Unfortunately, that's all it was...lip service.
No one was willing to make the unpopular decisions that needed to be made.

Now we have someone in office that's actually doing what has been "talked about" for years and everybody's getting upset.

These are not easy decisions, but necessary.
What he's proposing needed to be done decades ago.
Out of control spending, and government waste is going to bankrupt both the state and nation if we don't reign it in NOW!

A governemt job has never been and should never be, considered a job for life
This type of thought promotes exactly what most of us despise.

We've all heard the comment "typical government employee" (you know, the 4 guys hanging on one shovel while one person digs a hole).

We've all seen it as well.
If you're one of a dozen that haven't, just go to the DMV. You'll have your fill in short order!

People should enter goverment employment because they believe in it, they want to do the job, or to gain experience.
Not because it's "cushy" "easy" or "guaranteed"

Lately, it seems it's some goverment employment has become a place for those "less motivated" and possibly not quite as adept, as thier counterparts in the private sector

Government employment has never been nor should it be now, about the $$$$$.
If you want to make good $$$$, get into the public sector and take your chances, or go to work for yourself, and again, take your chances.

I entered law enforcement not for the benefits, or the $$$, but because it was what I felt I wanted to do. The same reason people (myself included) used to enter the military for.
Nowdays, even that's changed for the most part.

Government Service is about just that....SERVICE!
Those that choose the field, do so with full disclosure.

The benefit cuts likely will not effect the previous government workers.
It will impact those new hires coming on board after a certain date.
So be it.

While I'll agree that many rank and file STATE workers could use a raise, the benefit package is pretty sweet.

And under the proposals, it might actually survive!
You can't continue to fill a never ending hole. Eventually, you'll run out of dirt!


Anyone whose spent over a few years in any government agency, and isn't blind to the facts, will realize that the vast majority of government agencies from state to local, are top heavy with administration and redundancy.

The Dept. of Financial Services and the Dept of Agriculture and Consumer Affairs are two (2) prime examples.

Both are relatifvely little more than retirement centers for other agencies top brass, and do little to truly assist the public, or control thier assignees.

And there's so much more.....It's time for some serious cuts!

As for any vendetta he may have, if that's the case, it will certainly show it's ugly head at some point.

The rail decision?
I'm with him for now.

Let's get our freaking roadway system in order before we start setting up high speed rails!

And why would I want to obligate the state any further to Federal control?
No thanks.
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Nope nothings changed. The job is supposed to be a solid one that is one of the last to be cut or laid off, and the flip side is that you get less pay with that security.
How do you figure that?
Other than emergency services, I've never considered a government job a job for life
Why would we wnat that to happen?
To do so fosters laziness and ineptitude on a massive scale

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If you want to know who pissed him off, just think back to the investigation of corruption/theft/fraud/etc with the hospital money. The state and police.
I see where you're coming from and hope you're wrong.
If not, it'll become obvious at some point.
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Heck his story line about state workers is just nonsensical. Saying that they make more than the private sector and need to bring their salaries and benefits down to the private sector's level is hogwash.
It's funny you mention that. Some years back, there was a HUGE study on that very same topic. Pay parity between theprivate sector and public sector.
That's when the huge pay raises started taking effect and the benefit packages increased.
The big difference and something that was left out of the equation, was as Rocket mentioned, SECURITY!
You have little if any in the private sector, you buy your own benes, own your own car, purchase your own fuel......blah blah blah.....and it's PERFORMANCE DRIVEN!
In the government sector, not so much so.
If an agency fails to perform, where are you going to go? What can you do?
If a private sector employee/firm fails to perform, they're out of business.
For those risks, they sometimes make more $$$.

To compare a division major or section manager with an upper level manager of a fortune 500 company is laughable.
In some counties, line LEO's with less than 5 years on the job, are making more than the private sector owners of some companies.
Administrators for most goverment agencies are making more (wiothout the inherrent risk associated with LE/Fire Rescue) than many of thier counterparts in the private sector these days.
Maybe it's that "pay parity" study again?
Maybe it's time for a new one


[quote]Unless you are in the upper levels of state government, the reason you have the job is because you are willing to make less because the benefits package is worth more to you and you are willing to take the cut in pay.

For a lot of these state workers I run into, it's not a cut in pay at all.
It's a pay check, period.
Heck, many of them act like they hate thier jobs?
But they won't dare venture out into the real world.

For others, such as the retirees, it's less than they made, but they're already retired!
This is nothing more than a cake job for them, a bump to thier retirement (depending on whether it's a state or local retirement program) and beer money

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Unless things have changed drastically from the time I worked in state government, this was pretty much the rule across the board. You can't just take an average across the board of salaries simply because nearly all positions in state government are professional or clerical in nature.
Unfortunatley, state goverment jobs are usually classifed in levels, rather than description for pay purposes.
I'm not sure I'd classify most of them as professional. Maybe more technical and clerical?

I guess it could go either way?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional

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A professional is a member of a vocation founded upon specialised educational training.

The word professional traditionally means a person who has obtained a degree in a professional field. The term professional is used more generally to denote a white collar working person, or a person who performs commercially in a field typically reserved for hobbyists or amateurs.

In western nations, such as the United States, the term commonly describes highly educated, mostly salaried workers, who enjoy considerable work autonomy, a comfortable salary, and are commonly engaged in creative and intellectually challenging work.[1][2][3][4] Less technically, it may also refer to a person having impressive competence in a particular activity.[5]

Because of the personal and confidential nature of many professional services and thus the necessity to place a great deal of trust in them, most professionals are held up to strict ethical and moral regulations.
Yeah, that sounds like most state government employees to me

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A professional is a person that is paid for what they do. Qualifications have little to do with being a professional as the world's "oldest profession" is strictly a monetary gain career. An amateur maybe more qualified than a professional but they are not paid, thus they are an amateur.

anyway. back on topic...

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You can't compare that with an average in the private sector that has a large bulk of minimum wage jobs doing manual labor, being cashiers, waitresses and anything else that doesn't have equivalent low scale paying jobs in state government. So this apparently is just smoke and mirrors, because as a businessman, he HAS to know this.
I'll defer back to my previous comment on the pay parity study.
The study included comperable jobs in the public and private sector

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Seriously, why would anyone have spent the kind of money he did to become governor? If he is truly a business man, then what kind of business decision was this for him?
The same reason those before him did.
The same reason those that campaign for any public office including that of the President, do.

It's either a desire to serve, or power and prestige.
Since they all enter the races for altruistic purposes (I just want to serve our people) we won't knwo for a while what his true agenda is.

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Im thinking that maybe some one (or ones) in state government pissed him off a while back and this is now payback time. You know, like if some store employee pisses off some rich guy and he BUYS the company just so he can fire the dude. That sort of thing.....
You could be right
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It is interesting to me how society swings their opinion of someone. I am not a fan of the governor but it's more a personality issue than anything else. If a person has tons of cash thrown his way for an election, we say the lobbyist put him into office. If a person spends a significant amount of his cash, we say he bought his way into the office. For whatever reason Gov. Scott spent his cash, it truly is his own business.
He did derail the high speed train and he may be correct in that the Florida infrastructure would not be able to support it long term nor be profitable. Yes, it would create jobs temporarily but so what.
I thinks he wants the state to be fiscally sound and that takes saying NO to alot of things we would like but no longer can afford or support.
He has a big job and I'm willing let him shake it out over his first term and see what develops.
If anything, his abrasive personality and arrogance may be his downfall.
Just my humble .02 worth.
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Probably a bit early to judge too much. I think he's way off base on his ideas for the FL retirement system. I think the High Speed Rail can not and will not (honestly) pay for itself as they all seem to end up in the red with the state (us) picking up the tab. Correct me if I'm wrong and I will view things differently but has the Miami-Dade Tri Rail ever paid for itself or are we still running the tab on that one. I know Amtrack does not pay for itself.

At this point in time he has one plus vote from me and one damn big minus vote.

Gotta watch this for a while.
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When I compare my current state job with my previous private sector position, I find myself working twice as hard now...and job security where I am is only a myth...
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