• Got the Contributing Memberships stuff finally worked out and made up a thread as a sort of "How-To" to help people figure out how to participate. So if you need help figuring it out, here's the thread you need to take a look at -> http://www.corvetteflorida.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3581 Thank you, everyone! Rich Z.

Oh this is going to hurt!

If that's not obvious to you then I can't help you. Look at your last post. Maybe whoever owns this site should look at your last post.

For the record, I own this site, and yes I have read all the posts in this thread. In my opinion, you are coming off with a very marked "holier than thou" attitude, and as a sideline, taking smacks at the moderators here. From the context of the posts made in the thread, I don't see the reason for you to be in attack mode like you are and attempt to belittle and antagonize the thread starter.

My suggestion to you is to lighten up a bit and quit trying to piss people off here. If you are not aware that this is what you are doing, read this thread again beginning to end and be objective about it. We don't have a problem with differences in opinion, but if the delivery is intentionally abrasive in order to cause conflict or perhaps your personality is such that pissing people off is just second nature (meaning you just lack any redeeming social skills in this sort of medium), then perhaps your going back into lurk mode would be best for everyone.

We're all here to have a good time. I am honored that people would bare their souls when they make a mistake by posting it here. They do not need to be belittled because of it, and the rest of this family is going to be highly resentful of anyone attempting to do that.

And furthermore, if you have an issue with one or more of the mods here, bring it to me. DO NOT attempt to belittle or undermine them in public. This will be your only warning about this.
 
I see that you are ynkedad's bud. How about this statement of his. "Hell, I brake (sic) the law (speeding) every time I'm in my Vette. Is it a stupid thing to do...Yes, but I can't help myself " He is a mod on this site. There is a good reason other sites squash threads like this.

This is not those "other sites". Just because another site does something differently does not make it gospel that there is a "good reason".
 
When the troopers are driving their radar is on all the time, so the detectors will work pretty well in these circumstances and probably would have saved the OP.
^ This statement is incorrect. That went out in the 60's. I know of no law enforcement officers today that leave their units on continously. Everyone is taught in radar school to visually clock a violater before confirming it with the radar unit. We are tested and have to be within 5 mph of the actual speed. Besides, the doppler tone would drive you crazy after about five minutes!

In theory you're right and with a good officer, that WILL be the case. In reality, it doesn't always work that way:(

I've had the displeasure on more than a few occasions, to watch as guys tossed the regs out the window. Instead of a visual tracking history, they cruise with doppler turned way down, listen for the target, gain a visual on thier target, then start the procedure "for the record.":thumbsdown:

This usually only happens on little travelled roads, late shifts with limited traffic and other occasions when as you correctly stated, the doppler would drive them crazy.

Seen it done way too often:(

On day shift or in heavy traffic, you just silence the doppler.
 
Fight the ticket. If you need an attorney pm me and I'll send you the his #
It's not much at all for his fees and most people I know that use him win without doing anything. It's sad but true.
 
In theory you're right and with a good officer, that WILL be the case. In reality, it doesn't always work that way:(

I've had the displeasure on more than a few occasions, to watch as guys tossed the regs out the window. Instead of a visual tracking history, they cruise with doppler turned way down, listen for the target, gain a visual on thier target, then start the procedure "for the record.":thumbsdown:

This usually only happens on little travelled roads, late shifts with limited traffic and other occasions when as you correctly stated, the doppler would drive them crazy.

Seen it done way too often:(

On day shift or in heavy traffic, you just silence the doppler.

Well, all I can say is, we've got a pretty good group of Troopers and Deputies up here, and we pride ourselves in playing by the rules. I honestly don't know of anyone around here who operates any other way. Besides, you can't catch anyone with a radar detector if you leave it on. It's fun to beat them at their own game! I do have a little fun with them in town though. When I see one with a radar detector at a red light I pull the trigger at random, maybe once every 10-30 seconds while they're making their way through traffic. You see them looking at the radar detector, then looking around for a marked unit! They don't know if their unit's not working right or there's a cop around! Drives 'em nuts!
 
My goodness folks, I thought this thread had pretty much died out. Boy was I wrong! I am in no way going to try and justify my actions but I would like to clarify a few things (especially for the guy the wants to take away my license, right to vote, first born child, etc. ) It was a six lane highway with median, completely devoid of traffic on my side until the light a 1/4 mile up the road (where Hays road intersects SR52 for anyone that knows the area)where I was planning on turning. It was just a quick burst of speed from 45 to 90 and right back down to 45. What do you reckon that takes in a vette about 12 seconds. When the cop pulled up behind me after making his u-turn I was sitting in the left turn lane waiting for him. I did not TURN in front of anybody. For the record I'm 55 years old, have had two speeding tickets in my life, the last one about 9 years ago. I also had one accident........when I was sixteen.

Again, no excuses but I did not and would not endanger anyone else. I hardly think the cop would have let me go with simple speeding had that been the case.
 
That statement pretty much destroys your credibility.

I see that you are ynkedad's bud. How about this statement of his. "Hell, I brake (sic) the law (speeding) every time I'm in my Vette. Is it a stupid thing to do...Yes, but I can't help myself " He is a mod on this site. There is a good reason other sites squash threads like this.

So, which department did you retire from? Based upon your "credibility" comment, and a few other statements, I'm "guessin'" you are or were in law enforcement? If I'm incorrect, that's fine too. It's just a SWAG:rofl1:

If you are/were, then welcome aboard. You'll find several of us here:thumbsup:As you can see, we don't always agree. What we DON'T do is bash each other over those disagreements :thumbsup:

If we disagree, we just disagree. Simple as that. Very gentlemanly and professionally.

There's not a person on this site that I wouldn't go out on a limb to help or have over at my home around my family. As a matter of fact, I've been out with several of these fine folks and have broken bread with more than a few. You are included in that group simply by your presence here, but...ya gotta chill out a bit bro. Don't take things so personally. Believe me, it'll nhot help your health one bit.

I'm sorry to hear about your brother.

I've had friends and fellow LEO's killed and injured by reckless drivers, drunk drivers and stupid drivers. I've seen the damage and carnage caused by excessive speeds, carelessness and DUI. I spent the last 4.5 years of my career, commanding the Sheriffs district Motor Unit. Wrote about a 500+ citations a month, most of which were speed related.

But I still speed...

I think the OP even alluded to the fact that it was a stupid thing to do (go back and read the initial post please), but it is what it is and it can't be changed. He's willing to take his lumps and I'm guessing will likely think twice before letting it get away from him again on a local road.:thumbsup:

As RichZ stated, he owns the site lock, stock and all 4 barrells and chooses to run things a bit differently than most sites. Thats one thing that brought many of us here in the first place:thumbsup:

He is a mod on this site. There is a good reason other sites squash threads like this

As I mentioned in my previous post, being a moderator, the administrator or taking any other active role in this playground, doesn't negate your freedom of speech or your right to an opinion. One thing that really sets this site apart from others, is the open interaction between moderators, the administrator and the folks that make this place what it is.

Most of the mods on those "other sites" rarely post or interact and you hardly ever hear from or see the administrators in the fray???

Ray's moderator title doesn't limit his opinions or his right to express them, any more than yours would be limited here:thumbsup:
(oh, and for the record, I wasn't bashing your opinion of the OP's actions, just the "way" in which it was delivered as a 1st post)

Other sites "squash" threads like this for a variety of reasons. I'm either on those sites or have been in the past and have seen 1st hand the censorship and puritanistic attitudes in action. For my $$ it's a no brainer....no thanks:NoNo::thumbsdown:

The "other" forum would have already locked this thread over the dissention. Actually, this thread would have likely gotten locked over there simply for stating he was speeding. Not suggesting others do it or promoting street racing, just mentioning it:(
Right now, people are being banned on that forum simply for stating opinions that differ from the "norm." You won't find that here.

Another nationwide forum with initials similar to our nations capital, would have banished you to the nether regions for not supporting the speeder and for voicing an pro-police opinion:lmao:

I'm happy to see that according to your reply, you're not "going anywhere." :thumbsup:"

In closing, we're truly happy to have you here; however, if you're looking for a highly moderated, puritanistic, holier than though place to hang your hat, this probably isn't it;)

Hopefully you'll stick around a while and see what we're all about:thumbsup:

Have a good evening:thumbsup:

Gordon
 
Oh yea forgot to mention, I'm in favor of NOT banning lefoy84 from this forum, he has a right to his opinion. But I truly do appreciate the support most all of you have shown.
 
Well, all I can say is, we've got a pretty good group of Troopers and Deputies up here, and we pride ourselves in playing by the rules. I honestly don't know of anyone around here who operates any other way. Besides, you can't catch anyone with a radar detector if you leave it on. It's fun to beat them at their own game! I do have a little fun with them in town though. When I see one with a radar detector at a red light I pull the trigger at random, maybe once every 10-30 seconds while they're making their way through traffic. You see them looking at the radar detector, then looking around for a marked unit! They don't know if their unit's not working right or there's a cop around! Drives 'em nuts!

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::thumbsup::thumbsup:

I know what you mean. I've played that game more than one time myself:thumbsup: Kinda fun to watch them looking for the cops and having to reset thier radar units. Hell, in a way, it's doing what we need it to do. They're so busy resetting the unit, changing detection bands and looking for the PO-LICE that they can't speed:lmao::lmao:

Overall you're right. Most of the guys I've worked with were straight up. But there have been more than a few that I've choosen to keep my distance from:(

Stay safe out there my friend:thumbsup:

Gordon
 
Oh yea forgot to mention, I'm in favor of NOT banning lefoy84 from this forum, he has a right to his opinion. But I truly do appreciate the support most all of you have shown.

As far as I'm concerned, no one gets banned around here for stating an opinion:NoNo: For or against, an opinion is just that...an opinion:thumbsup:

Thanks for the added information. I know the area well and it makes a HUGE difference in the "nature" of the offense IMO.

BTW...if you'd been a real danger, we'd have gotten your first post from booking:lmao:
 
Having seen Gentle Ben's explanation, perhaps I was a bit hard on him. I envisioned an 18 year old bragging on youtube.

I was a fighter pilot for 23 years and have felt the need for speed. I have been faster than sound many times. I can say, however, that never in my wildest dreams have I more than doubled the posted speed limit in a motor vehicle. I am sure Gentle Ben wishes he had a do over.

The personal attacks of me on this site are unsettling. I will now make you all happy and go away.

:wavey:
 
Having seen Gentle Ben's explanation, perhaps I was a bit hard on him. I envisioned an 18 year old bragging on youtube.

I was a fighter pilot for 23 years and have felt the need for speed. I have been faster than sound many times. I can say, however, that never in my wildest dreams have I more than doubled the posted speed limit in a motor vehicle. I am sure Gentle Ben wishes he had a do over.

The personal attacks of me on this site are unsettling. I will now make you all happy and go away.

:wavey:

It's an easy assumption to make. It's also easy to assume from an internet post the worst in a person. I've learned over the years that all isn't as it seems until I get to know the person or thier feelings:thumbsup: Besides, we all know about assumptions...made a few over the years myself:yesnod::lmao::thumbsdown:

Next, thanks for your service to our country:thumbsup::icon_cheers::usa_flag:You'll also find a number of us here that have served in one branch or another (maybe a couple:yesnod:). I can also appreciate your observance of the speed limits. On the other hand, I have at least doubled some of the speed limits over the years...most of the time on duty and on at least one occasions, on 2 wheels! I understand your concern and I'm sure if he were able to have that "mulligan" he'd likely do things differently. That said, I've jumped on it a time or 2 for a brief moment, let her unwind a little then settled back into the normal limits. I was lucky;)

As you can see, we really are more family than website here:thumbsup:

If it's all the same to everyone concerned, I'd like to put this situation behind us and move forward. We'd love to have you hang around and join some of us at various events and such. You might just find some new friends among the group:icon_cheers:
Hell, one of the guys I truly disliked on another site, turned out to be one of my best friends after we met at a cruise in:thumbsup: I still think he's an azzhole on occasion and I'm sure the feelings mutual, but he could call me today and need help and a few hours later, I'd be in Melbourne (Fl) to help! Thats just the way it is bro:thumbsup:

Of course, the choice to stay or leave is ultimately up to you...

We'll respect your decision regardless...


Gordon
 
The personal attacks of me on this site are unsettling. I will now make you all happy and go away.

:wavey:

I believe you saw the results of your apparently attacking one of our friends. We are not asking you to leave, and certainly would not be happy if you did. All we are asking is to give everyone here the same courtesy and respect that you would wish to have yourself. We're all friends here. So when someone comes in lashing out at one of our friends, we get defensive and go shoulder to shoulder.

We are offering you the opportunity to join us. The rules are very simple: just treat us like your friends, and that is how you will be treated. :yesnod:
 
I believe you saw the results of your apparently attacking one of our friends. We are not asking you to leave, and certainly would not be happy if you did. All we are asking is to give everyone here the same courtesy and respect that you would wish to have yourself. We're all friends here. So when someone comes in lashing out at one of our friends, we get defensive and go shoulder to shoulder.

We are offering you the opportunity to join us. The rules are very simple: just treat us like your friends, and that is how you will be treated. :yesnod:

Okay Rich, I have had awhile to think about this. I initially jumped on Gentle Ben because I was amazed that no one else had. You call yourself a family. If I had a family member driving that way, I would tell him exactly what I said.

As for the conduct of your Mods. Shadow I can live with. Ynkedad is another story.

Ynkedad's words:
" Now that's ****king funny
There are Far more people out there (non vette owners) that can't even accomplish this!

Responsible adult? Where exactly would we find them???
Would they be the ones who cut people off, don't use their turn signal, don't turn their lights on while it's raining, pass on a double line, talk on their cell phone while driving, taking in the sights instead of paying attention to the road ?....

Come on now, this guy stated he was basically alone out there so, he got on it. Was it right...No, but who am I ? Hell, I brake the law (speeding) every time I'm in my Vette. Is it a stupid thing to do...Yes, but I can't help myself ."

Your Mod's words



I believe a moderator should be held to a higher standard. Yes he gets an opinion. Our children visit these sites. Mods are role models whether they believe it or not. You say I should have contacted you directly if I had a problem with a mod. Believe me I tried. I didn't find a link that said "complain to the owner." About that time, Ynkedad's momma jumped on me too. I thought maybe you were the owner but the janitor tag threw me off.

The issue is not about speeding. 90 in a 70 is one hell of a lot different than 92 in a 45. The issue is reckless driving. The fact that a lot of you have an LEO background is further troubling. Lose a brother to someone who chose to drive carelessly and recklessly and get back to me. I fought in two wars and lost many squadron mates during my military career but it is not the same.

I know you would not not possibly remember it but you invited me to join this site via email due to the fact that I am a Florida resident. I have spoken my piece.
 
For what it is worth, in third gear I can get from 45 to 90 mph in less time than it takes to write this sentence. Been there and done that, which I am certain it the case with many other people as well. The car is astoundingly controllable, and there is nothing at all reckless, unsafe, or careless about that fact, as long as the circumstances appear to be prudent. If anyone wishes to hold a grudge against ME for doing that, well have at it. And for the record, I am 57 years old and not some hotrod kid. Sometimes when the conditions warrant it, you just DO it. Yes, there can be repercussions, which you have to decide to accept, but there is no intent of harm or carelessness about anyone around you. Yes, some may make poor choices and errors in judgement, because that is what humans do, but it's going a bit overboard to paint EVERYONE with that same broad brush because of your own personal experience. Not everyone chooses to live as you do, and certainly such a narrow outlook will not be enforced on this site.

As for my choices in mods, it is MY standards that they will be held to, and thus far I have not seen any evidence causing me to regret my decisions.

And yes, I have invited a lot of current members to this site. None were investigated beforehand, if that is what you are implying. The only criteria I used was that they be interested in Corvettes, and either a resident or visitor to Florida. Even then, I would not restrict access from anyone who didn't fall into any of those above listed categories who happen to stumble on this site.
 
The only people I painted are the ones that choose to drive double the speed limit. I fail to see how the time required to do that is relevant. Hopefully the right foot is attached to the brain. It's your fiefdom.
 
Okay Rich, I have had awhile to think about this. I initially jumped on Gentle Ben because I was amazed that no one else had. You call yourself a family. If I had a family member driving that way, I would tell him exactly what I said.

You're absolutely correct sir. If my son or daughter were driving like that, they'd be walking (if I owned the car!) And thats perfectly acceptable. But once again, you need to look at it from another perspective as well.

We see you for the 1st time and you lay into a member? we have no knowledge of your history or background with speeding drivers.

We ALL have our grudges in life. Mines DUI. I was hit almost head on in my 69 Camaro when I was a rookie cop. Shoulda died but didn't. Wasn't my day to go.

Have a close friend and former deputy who walks on prosthesis due to a drunk driver while he was on duty...just before his kid was born...

Frankly, I wouldn't pizz the mouth of a drunk driver if thier head was on fire, but thats me.

I might just as you did, lay into a post about them, but I'd most likely qualify myself 1st.

I believe a moderator should be held to a higher standard. Yes he gets an opinion. Our children visit these sites.

We're mods not Gods:rofl1

I don't know about yours but my "kids" are 19 & 22. I don't see too many children visiting Corvette sites. Even if they did, I've found with my own kids, that they are pretty astute. They READ the entire thread before making a judgment or statement:thumbsup:

Had anyone read the entire thread, they'd have seen that the OP wasn't bragging about speeding or getting caught and openly admitted his wrongdoing and the fact that it was gonna cost him big time!

And no one was cheerleading him on. It certainly wasn't a lets go streetracing thread by any means.

Ray's statement was his honest opinion. Why sugarcoat it? I too speed on occasion and as I said, I occasionally get on it (as best I can with my old 87). I don't street race and I don't condone it, publicly or privately. If the OP had said he was racing, I'd have given it a huge:NoNo:
I'm guessing it might have even gotten locked?

But he didn't. He had a momentary lapse in judgement and got caught. Even a "kid" would see how bad thats going to be:thumbsup:

Mods are role models whether they believe it or not.

FWIW, I personally take my position here very seriously. That said, if you'll check my posts, I still don't hold much back and the word Hypocrite is not in my vocabulary.

Our "jobs" here are not that of censors as you'll find in other sites. We're here to keep the boards "clean" of objectionable (no socially redeeming values sort of things ya know?), not to set the pace for the site. If everyone were to think they way I think, this place would not be fit for human consumption:rofl1:

And on the subject of "jobs", yes, we're compensated. We're compensated by the friendships we've made, the comaraderie we've had and will have and the help and advise that is given freely among our family:thumbsup:

You say I should have contacted you directly if I had a problem with a mod. Believe me I tried. I didn't find a link that said "complain to the owner."

How about "report bad post?" That would have gone to all of us including Rich;)

I've used it on other sites before to report a mod. Sure it goes to them as well. Who cares? I'm not doing anything behind thier backs. But if I said something to them as you did in an open forum, on other sites I could (and have:yesnod::lmao:) been banned:rolleyes:People take themselves too seriously sometimes. They need to lighten up and have some fun.

Sure, I've gone head to head with a mod or 2 in PM's over what I percieved as an unwarranted lock of a thread. why not? They get up every morning just like I do:thumbsup: The puritanistic, holier than thou attitudes and BS some of them espouse makes me :ack2:when I've seen them do the same or worse themselves:NoNo:

The don't do as I do, do as I say do is and always will be BS!

I thought maybe you were the owner but the janitor tag threw me off.

Yeah, he's the janitor allright. We keep him around to pick up and take out the trash, clean up the boards, you know...janitorial stuff:lmao::lmao:

Finally, as I mentioned before, on another nationwide site, most of the mods sit quietly behind the scenes and rarley get involved in the discussions:( Not here. We like being part of the group. Don't think for a minute though, if the situation were to present itself, that I or anyone else here, wouldn't do whatever was necessary to protect the site. Otherwise, we're just another member and voice opinions as such.

I agree that a moderator should be held to a higher standard as to what he or she initiates. You won't catch me posting porn links, initating SPAM, or generally posting objectional material here or anywhere else, but there's no reason to censor anyone just "because" they're a mod/admin/senior member/speaker of the house......:lmao:

We will however, dump a thread that is harmful or objectionable to the masses in a second, with little to no questions asked. The site is friendly and family oriented, and until such time as Rich say's otherwise, it'll remain that way!

The issue is not about speeding. 90 in a 70 is one hell of a lot different than 92 in a 45. The issue is reckless driving. The fact that a lot of you have an LEO background is further troubling. Lose a brother to someone who chose to drive carelessly and recklessly and get back to me. I fought in two wars and lost many squadron mates during my military career but it is not the same.

No ones debating your loss or your rationale for your opinion. But again, you might try qualifying yourself before you jump on someone in your 1st post.

Had this been the case, the OP may have deleted his own thread, or edited it to give the full circumstances:thumbsup:and we probably wouldn't be here.

And no, it's NOT reckless driving as defined by Florida Statute. Other factors must be present to fulfill the statute. It does carry it's own stiff penalties though as I'm sure he'll find out.

Sorry you're "troubled" by any of our backgrounds. See, some of us actually use our heads. To impy that simply because you wear a star or shield, that you're free from characther flaws, no longer human or never make an error in judgment, is rediculous. Remember the cop that I mentioned from last the other night? He's a deputy. Got stopped by another deputy in another county doing basiclly the same thing. I'm not going to get into the right/wrong of him not getting cited.

Did I say I wouldn't have stroked the OP a ticket? Of course not! I probably would. Should I get a citation if I were doing the same thing? Sure.

Then again, I've let a lot of people off with a written warning and a lecture. I use my discretion. Not everyone is a criminal.

I know you would not not possibly remember it but you invited me to join this site via email due to the fact that I am a Florida resident. I have spoken my piece
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Well, the mere fact that you've stuck around this long indicates you might actually fit in on this dysfunctional family:lmao:

Either way, I think everyones had thier say, this thing has gotten way off topic and the feelings of all are known and understood.

Lets drop this here please.

Thanks,

Gordon

ps. that pm I sent you still stands. If you like, feel free to call me, I don't bite...hard:rofl1::thumbsup:

Gordon
 
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