Wow, what drama. Did I stumble on to the Oprah show somehow? :lmao:
Since I probably qualify as one of the "lost posters" I'll make a couple comments. All said with a smile, so I hope no one will take offense.
The proximate cause of my absence is that Rich and I had a little disagreement. Since it's his ball, all I could do was go home, and I did.
Sorry but this is just bizarre to me. I have run forums for a long time, something like 12 years, and never in all that time have I ever had someone get so upset that I moved their thread from one forum to another that they took their ball and bat and went home because of it. In this particular case, Gannet posted a thread asking for input about dealerships in a particular locality in the General Corvette Forum, and I moved to the Board of Inquiry forum where I felt (and still do) that it would be more appropriately placed. That was the extent of the disagreement mentioned here.
For reference:
http://www.corvetteflorida.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14662
Just wanted to clear the air about this in case the statement quoted left some impression that I was some sort of ogre bashing on one of the members of this site over something serious.
But a contributing factor for my, and perhaps other's, lack of posting here is that the forum doesn't "move", as was pointed out above. The only portions that get much activity are, ironically, the non-Corvette subforums, such as this one. I'll make the same comment I made some time ago when this same question came up: there are way too many subforums here. Yes, it's nice to have everything "organized" so it's "easy to find". But the very fact of having to navigate all that makes things harder to find, imo. Where should a given topic go? An open question in many cases.
The larger problem with excessive subforums is that there isn't enough post volume here to make them "move". And so they sit. What's the point of logging into the forum twice a day and seeing that there are a handful of new posts, and none at all on the great majority of subforums? It's boring, it's not interesting.
On many of the subforums here the oldest post on the front page is several months old. In some cases ALL the posts are several months old. IMO such subforums should be closed, and combined into a larger subforum. For example, there was a comment above about the low (read: nonexistent) activity in the club subforums. They are promoted to club members but they don't come. What I suspect is that they come once, take a look, and decide there's nothing there. And they're right. What to do? Combine ALL the club subforums into ONE subforum. I would be happy to read about what's going on in Tampa, Naples, Orlando, even Tallahassee and St. Augustine. Those of you who know us know that we drive a LOT on weekends - distance is not a deterrent. But I'm not going to click through 27 or however many there are club subforums just to see what''s going on.
The same applies to the "tech" subforums, which is where I usually hang out. Those who know me know that I often have something to contribute in those areas (perhaps of questionable value, but hey, it's the Internet), and I genuinely enjoy it. But I'm not going to check 11 potentially "techie" subforums (I just counted) to find and possibly respond to a couple of threads a day.
I want to log in, quickly review pretty much everything that's going on that I might be interested in, make my contributions, and get out. That way it's fun. Right now it's almost like work.
I think the general rule of thumb should be that a subforum should not exist unless it is either so specialized that it cannot be combined (for instance Staging Area), or the topic of the subforum generates so much traffic that it would swamp a more general subforum. The reason is that each subforum MUST HAVE ACTIVITY or people won't read it. It doesn't matter how well non-existent content is organized.
If I were king I would think hard about this:
Collapse Feedback and Suggestion Box to one subforum.
Collapse Welcome Room, General BS, Ray's, Just for Laughs, Movie Reviews into one subforum.
Drop the Roadhouse altogether.
Collapse General Florida, Legal Issues, Police Blotter into one subforum.
Collapse On the Road, Events, and Caravan into one subforum.
Drop the News Feeds or combine them under the same parent subforum. These are not conversation forums, as I discovered.
Combine every subforum under General Corvette into one subforum, save News Feeds and NCM. Include Board of Inquiry and the 5 "company" forums.
Collapse all the club forums into a single subforum, and include NCM.
Collapse Corvette Classifieds and Flea Market into one subforum
You would go from 45 subforums down to 8. Right there, the average "velocity" of each forum goes up by a factor of better than 4. See what I mean?
Anyways, just some typically long-winded thoughts, and offered with good spirit. I'm not looking for an argument. I wish everyone here well, especially RichZ, who, let's remember, does this whole thing voluntarily.
Sorry, but I simply disagree with your diagnosis that the problem with this site is the over complication concerning the number of forums. You may be right, of course, but I just disagree. Matter of fact, I would say that this site is probably overly simplified in most cases. Further, a number of the forums you are recommending being removed were specifically asked for by other members here. So in effect, I am asked to value one later recommendation over earlier ones without any compelling evidence that it be worthwhile,
AND it has the likely potential to piss off those members who requested those forums when they find they are gone.
Yes, certainly I could just simplify the forum structure to try to make the site have the appearance of more traffic at the expense of being useful for later visitors and members actually wanting to find information they are looking for, but quite frankly, I think that would wind up being self defeating. This site is not here just to generate traffic. It's here to provide a useful meeting place for all who are interested. It's here to hopefully provide something they are looking for, which makes my job to try to make that as easy as possible for them to find. So that likely means segregated information in a format that they can easily determine where topics of interest would most likely be located.
If you look around, this site is actually much more simpler to navigate than a lot out there because many take a visitor to a front end that is likely very confusing to someone not experienced with such a page and in fact, it can sometimes be quite difficult to even FIND the forums. Here, you are taken directly to the main page of the forums, and every forum available is visible right on that page without having to select a generation of vehicle nor do you have to navigate through one or more levels of subforums that are not directly accessible from that main page.
Certainly, nothing will ever please 100 percent of everyone, but I believe the compromises I selected for this site are suitable for the target audience and the traffic now as well as in the foreseeable future. There will always be people who will think it is too complicated, just as there will always be people who think it is too simplified (in particular by wanting separate sections for each generation of Corvette).
Now, that being said, I will grant the point that the Corvette Clubs section has been pretty much a complete failure. I investigated as many Florida based Corvette club web pages as I could find, and in nearly all cases, NONE of them had an interactive forum available for their members. So I thought it would be a benefit to them to offer such a forum here, free of charge, for them to use for such a purpose without having to set up a forum on their own sites. Not only are those forums pretty much stagnant, for the most part, the offerings to the clubs themselves were basically snubbed without even the courtesy of some reply. But I tried it anyway. Perhaps it is getting to be time to think about reclaiming that screen real estate and subsequent bandwidth that is just going to waste every time the main forum page is loaded.
So yes, that section may very well go away for lack of use or interest. I had hoped the various clubs would see the benefit of having a public place where their members could interface with members of other clubs easily and perhaps generate more interest in their own clubs from remote members, but perhaps I was hoping for too much and the clubs just don't have an interest in such things. Be that as it may, I thought it was worth giving it a shot.
Anyway Dave, sorry to took my moving your thread as such a slap to the face and decided to just take off rather than discussing it with me to exchange points of view.
As for the rest, if this site fails to provide what you want out of it, then that's just the way it will be. Wouldn't be the first time I failed at something I wanted to try. But at least I was willing to give it a go.