USA - Born 1776 - Died 2008

It doesn't hurt to read this several times .



Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law in St. Paul , Minnesota , points out some interesting facts concerning last November'sPresidential election:


• Number of States won by: Obama: 19 McCain: 29
• Square miles of land won by: Obama: 580,000 McCain: 2,427,000
• Population of counties won by: Obama: 127 million McCain: 143 million
• Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Obama: 13.2 McCain: 2.1


Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory McCain won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country.


Obama territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in low income tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..."


Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.


If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegals - and they vote - then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.


If you are in favor of this, then by all means, delete this message.


If you are not, then pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake , knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.





Remember this November……let’s clean house of the politicians who are driving this Country to Socialism. We need to take our Country back!!!!

I think the first step is to KILL the party system by voting strictly independent. Think about what that term means. "Independent".. Personally, I want my representatives only DEPENDENT on my votes. If they are DEPENDENT on their party, then perhaps I am just playing second fiddle on their priority list.

:iagree: If we the voter rate that high.. After all they have proven they don't hear us.

Actually, I believe the voting process is much akin to cattle being offered the choice of one of the two ramps going into the slaughter house....

Rich Z said:

I think the first step is to KILL the party system by voting strictly independent. Think about what that term means. "Independent".. Personally, I want my representatives only DEPENDENT on my votes. If they are DEPENDENT on their party, then perhaps I am just playing second fiddle on their priority list.

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That will never happen.

Even if the party system were to be disbanded, the same people who voted democrat or republican would vote for their "Independent" liberal or conservative.

I much prefer term limits for Congress. That way when they get elected, they would do work for the people who got them elected and not the special interests.

Our founding Fathers never meant for these people to be elected for life.

Lou G said:

That will never happen.

Even if the party system were to be disbanded, the same people who voted democrat or republican would vote for their "Independent" liberal or conservative.

I much prefer term limits for Congress. That way when they get elected, they would do work for the people who got them elected and not the special interests.

Our founding Fathers never meant for these people to be elected for life.

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Well, there are a number of problems with term limits, which may be worse than the system we now have. For one, even the GOOD representatives are term limited, no matter how much we may want them to stay in office. And perhaps even worse, is that whatever their last term may be, they have absolutely NO incentive whatsoever to please the voters. So they will quite likely only be looking at padding their own nest while on the way out the door. Perhaps the good ones wouldn't, but if the premise behind term limits is because we believe the greater majority of them NEED to be thrown out involuntarily, then we have to assume that the greater majority will play that new system to their advantage.

Seriously, if people who seriously need to be thrown out of office cannot get voted out, then the entire system has gone wrong. Problem is, that if the problem turns out to be the voting public, how do you fix something like that? And if any fixes are attempted, guess who is going to be controlling it all?

Bingo!

Still cant believe that some still think McCain/Palin could have done any better...This whole cycle we are in will repeat itself regardless of who is in office...

And one more thing, it will be a cold day in hell the day this country ceases to exist over one person, group or action...

I think the founders of this country would just jump onto a boat and leave this country in disgust to see what we put up with from our government. I don't think the overall population of this country would actually rise up in rebellion, but with the government rocketsledding into insolvency (which they have actually been in for quite some time), I think the majority of the people are becoming disgruntled at being REQUIRED to dig deeper into their own pockets to try to pull this country out of their rampant malfeasance. And then come to find out the money was just spent for even more malfeasance when it was used to line the pockets of some major manipulators both in government and industry.

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Still cant believe that some still think McCain/Palin could have done any better...This whole cycle we are in will repeat itself regardless of who is in office...

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I am one of those who think that McCain/Palin would be doing better.

I don't think they would have shoved down our throat a health care system that start collection taxes to pay for it and will not be in place for a few years.

When was the last time the government started collection money for a program in the future and the money was actually there when it was needed?

I don't think that McCain/Palin would be sueing the state of Arizona for trying to protect their citizens with a law that is less restrictive than the federal law but that is not being enforced.

I don't think that McCain/Palin would be dangling Cap and Trade over our heads.

I don't think that McCain/Palin would be spending the trillions of dollars this administration has spent so far and is willing to spend more which will burden our children and grandchildren.

Believe me, I was not happy with the McCain/Palin ticket but I still think it would have been a lot better with them in office.

I respect your opinion but I still can't believe that some still think that Obama/Biden are doing a good job.

Rich Z said:

I think the first step is to KILL the party system by voting strictly independent. Think about what that term means. "Independent".. Personally, I want my representatives only DEPENDENT on my votes. If they are DEPENDENT on their party, then perhaps I am just playing second fiddle on their priority list.

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People have to investigate the folks that are running for office. Had the voters known the real Obama he would not be in office. A two party system should provide a balance of power which it isn't doing right now.

als2052 said:

Still cant believe that some still think McCain/Palin could have done any better...This whole cycle we are in will repeat itself regardless of who is in office...

And one more thing, it will be a cold day in hell the day this country ceases to exist over one person, group or action...

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It must be getting cold down there. Who's making the decision to allow Iran and other countries to go nuclear? You really don't think that can destroy this country? Obama also wants America to be a socialist country. Don't you think that can destroy our country as we know it?

Lou G said:

I am one of those who think that McCain/Palin would be doing better.

I don't think they would have shoved down our throat a health care system that start collection taxes to pay for it and will not be in place for a few years.

When was the last time the government started collection money for a program in the future and the money was actually there when it was needed?

I don't think that McCain/Palin would be sueing the state of Arizona for trying to protect their citizens with a law that is less restrictive than the federal law but that is not being enforced.

I don't think that McCain/Palin would be dangling Cap and Trade over our heads.

I don't think that McCain/Palin would be spending the trillions of dollars this administration has spent so far and is willing to spend more which will burden our children and grandchildren.

Believe me, I was not happy with the McCain/Palin ticket but I still think it would have been a lot better with them in office.

I respect your opinion but I still can't believe that some still think that Obama/Biden are doing a good job.

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100% right Lou. While you may respect others opinions, I sure can't figure out what they can be basing them on.

Lou G said:

I am one of those who think that McCain/Palin would be doing better.

I don't think they would have shoved down our throat a health care system that start collection taxes to pay for it and will not be in place for a few years.

When was the last time the government started collection money for a program in the future and the money was actually there when it was needed?

I don't think that McCain/Palin would be sueing the state of Arizona for trying to protect their citizens with a law that is less restrictive than the federal law but that is not being enforced.

I don't think that McCain/Palin would be dangling Cap and Trade over our heads.

I don't think that McCain/Palin would be spending the trillions of dollars this administration has spent so far and is willing to spend more which will burden our children and grandchildren.

Believe me, I was not happy with the McCain/Palin ticket but I still think it would have been a lot better with them in office.

I respect your opinion but I still can't believe that some still think that Obama/Biden are doing a good job.

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I have to agree 100%. One other point to make is that all signs point to Obama being Muslim. I am not saying he's one of the extremist Muslims, but I believe he is a Muslim none the less. Look at where he lived, grew up, was influenced by as a youth, and how he bowed to the Muslim leaders, cut back on Isreal while allowing thousands of Palestines into America on our tax dollar, and now on the first day of Ramadan praising the building of the huge mosque 2 blocks from ground zero?

McCain / Palin would have been WAAAAAY better!!! At least we know they are American!! We know where their birth certificate is and what they have done for this country!! What has Obama done? NADA!! His legacy will be that he drove the country to ruin. The history books will shed the proper light on this terrible leader (the problem is the damage will already be done by then).