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Garage door insulation

Rich Z

Internet Sanitation Engineer
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The last two summers, temps in the garage were getting pretty hot during the afternoon. Unfortunately the garage doors face to the west, so the hot afternoon sun shining on them really got them hot to the touch. I mean, hot enough to almost burn your palm when you place it on the inside of the door. And the doors are painted white, so it is reflecting a good bit of the solar heat already. I'd hate to see how hot they would get if that were a much darker color. The walls and ceiling are insulated pretty well, but those four big doors were pretty much negating all that when the sun was shining on them directly. Temps on some days climbed up near 110 degrees, so I wasn't real happy about that. There are side vents on the walls, but they didn't seem to help a whole lot. Opening those doors would help with some airflow, but heck, the main reason I had the garage built was to keep critters out of the cars, so leaving them open all day long really wasn't an option.

I put in a small portable air conditioner (14,000 BTUs) that did help a little, but it's pretty underpowered for a 1500 square foot room, especially with all the heat those doors were pumping into the building. So I searched around for some sort of insulation solution for the doors. What complicated the issue was that they are roll up type doors, so I didn't think I could find anything satisfactory to actually mount onto the doors to insulate them. I did try to put a curtain in front of one of the doors to try to block the sunlight from shining on the door, but that didn't seem to work very well. Plus it just looked odd with a curtain in front of the garage door.

I talked to the guy who designed the garage for me back in the Spring and he told me some of his clients have used a thin reflective covering for insulation. I didn't think it would work very well, so I just let that thought simmer on the back burner until temps started getting up there again this summer. So I really started looking around in earnest. Trust me, working on my car in that heat in the garage was really no picnic.

Anyway, I found this webpage -> http://www.radiantbarrier.com/garage-door-insulation.htm and contacted them, letting them know what I had and what I was hoping for. The guy I talked to there said that the reflective radiant barriers that they sell would do the job. It's only 1/8th inch thick and could be attached via double sided tape, and he said he had no doubts I would be pleased with the results.

Well, I realized I was talking to a salesman, so I took that all with a grain of salt. I decided to order a kit for a single door, just in case it turned out to be a big let down, so I wouldn't be out too much money on this project. When it arrived, as a test I just duct taped the barrier to one of the doors and simply checked the temperature difference with my hand. Hmm, seemed like a pretty decent drop in temperature to me. So, what the heck, it was worth a shot.

Long story short, more time than I wanted passed by before I could get around to mounting this radiant barrier stuff to one of the garage doors. Matter of fact, Connie and I did it just yesterday. I had to buy different double sided tape, as the tape that came with the package was two inches wide, and I needed 1 inch wide tape to fit in the valleys on the door. I also needed more than one roll to do the job. Talk about mind boggling, you should SEE how many different types of double sided tape is available!

http://www.findtape.com/shop/result...dKR7QodJF4A1Q&setscreen=1&width=1570&height=0

Anyway, it wasn't too tough of a job, but I think it's a two person job for sure. Fitting the insulation to form fit the humps and valleys in the door was pretty tedious, and I needed Connie to watch the insulation strip (24 inches wide) to make sure I didn't start drifting off at an angle. I guess it took a couple of hours to do, with my old bones creaking. And when it was done, the sun was shining on the front of the garage doors, so I took an infrared temperature gun and checked the inside on the covered door and compared that with the inside of one still not covered. The uncovered door was showing 113 degrees. The covered door was showing 97 degrees. Bear in mind that the air temp inside the garage at that time was 96.7 degrees, so the inside of the insulated door was pretty much showing inside air temperature. I think the difference would have been much more dramatic had the inside air temps been cooler. I thought that was pretty darn impressive. I'm guessing that once I get the other three doors covered with the insulation, that it should make a pretty dramatic difference in the garage.

Which surprised me, since it seems that stuff like this just never really works out for me. I guess I won't know how well it all holds up over time for a while yet, but hopefully it won't be something that needs to be replaced every year. Now THAT would suck. Oh yeah, the door rolls up just fine with the radiant barrier applied to the inside, so that was a worry that I had that proved to be unfounded. So it all worked out just fine, apparently. I can tell the door feels a bit heavier as it comes down faster, but that's no big deal.

Anyway, here's some pics I took afterwards....

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Actually now I'm looking around for other ways to use this radiant barrier stuff. I'm wondering if I can mount it underneath the carpeting in the cars to help keep down the heat from the exhaust pipes. I've got plenty left over from that single door, so I imagine with the kits for the other three, I'm going to have a LOT of this stuff laying around afterwards.
 
I did the same basic thing using (what appears to be) the exact same material. Due to the panels on my house garage door each piece was maybe 18" X 24" or so. I never even thought of using double sided tape but used a 3M spray adhesive. I sprayed both the door and one side of the insulation, let them tack up nicely and pressed them in place one at a time. Been there for near 10 years already.

I know it helps with temp reduction but mid state it just gets damn hot. Frankly I wouldn't want to be without it.:thumbsup:
 
My metal garage door faces south. I insulated 2 years ago, with what appears to be the same material you used, and it made a big difference. The company I bought it from sent double sided tape which made it easy. The only pain was having to remove the 8 hurricane cross support 2x4s and re-installing them. But worth it.
 
My door faces west, no insulation in attic space so did not bother with expense of garage door insulation...Anytime I am in the garage, door goes up, turn on fans and problem solved...And last time I checked, never heard of a C6 melting in a garage contrary to popular belief...had mine in there for 6 years with no ill effects...now have a Chrysler 300 and two motorcycles and still no ill effects...Plus, there are more important things to do around house anyway IMHO...
 
... did not bother with expense of garage door insulation...Anytime I am in the garage, door goes up, turn on fans and problem solved...and still no ill effects...Plus, there are more important things to do around house anyway IMHO...

^^ I agree ^^ :yesnod: My garage door faces the cooler early morning sun from the East, and anytime I'm in there the door is open, screen is down, and the fans are on. Two cars and two motorcycles are in there and they haven't melted yet. I'd love to get a/c in there but that would be cost prohibitive. And I too, would rather spend my time doing something other than insulating my garage door.
 
What temperatures are you guys getting in your garages? Are they attached to your house or a separate building made out of sheet metal with NO shade in the afternoon?
 
Garage is attached to house and it does get hot in there but like we said, nothing has melted or blown up yet...
 
When you get 110 degrees inside a garage day after day, then generally glued items can suffer on a car. Things like inside rearview mirrors and any inside trim that is glued. I've noticed on Connie's C6 that a piece of trim inside the trunk area has come loose because the glue doesn't hold any longer. I would imagine that roof panels that are glued may suffer as well. Adhesives CAN be affected negatively by high temperatures.

So no, the cars certainly won't melt, but with high temperatures, things CAN start to come unglued. Literally.....

That is why I am spending the time and taking the trouble to try to reduce the temps in my garage. A sheet metal standalone building can get pretty darn hot inside.
 
My two car garage is attached to the house and with the garage door open, the screen down, and two ceiling fans on, the temp doesn't exceed 80 degrees +/- a degree or two- and that's when it's a constant 90 - 95 degrees outside.
 
My two car garage is attached to the house and with the garage door open, the screen down, and two ceiling fans on, the temp doesn't exceed 80 degrees +/- a degree or two- and that's when it's a constant 90 - 95 degrees outside.

Heck, I will be happy if I could keep my garage at 95 degrees or below. It gets me nervous seeing triple digits on the thermometer, especially with some of the stuff in pressurized spray cans I have in the cabinets.

Hopefully with the doors being insulated and the portable AC I'll be able to do that next Summer.
 
My two car garage is attached to the house and with the garage door open, the screen down, and two ceiling fans on, the temp doesn't exceed 80 degrees +/- a degree or two- and that's when it's a constant 90 - 95 degrees outside.

80*? 80*? I'd take that anytime. My garage is house attached and faces north. It remains closed but cracked a couple of inches and even with a ceiling fan it stays hot during the days. If it weren't for my totally cool personality and a cold Ice House it'd be hell.:eek:
 
My garage is actually an unheated, un-airconditioned, part of the house. It's
vented into the attic area, and has a ceiling fan in there, but CRIPE does it get
hot in there. My son and I changed out the garage door opener over the fourth
of July a few years ago, and I must have sweated off 40 pounds! No A/C,
garage door closed, and working up by the ceiling taught me that the next time
my opener needs to be changed, I'm gonna pay someone else to do it! :yesnod:
Andy :wavey:
 
My garage is actually an unheated, un-airconditioned, part of the house. It's
vented into the attic area, and has a ceiling fan in there, but CRIPE does it get
hot in there. My son and I changed out the garage door opener over the fourth
of July a few years ago, and I must have sweated off 40 pounds! No A/C,
garage door closed, and working up by the ceiling taught me that the next time
my opener needs to be changed, I'm gonna pay someone else to do it! :yesnod:
Andy :wavey:

Ya know Andy other them paying OMG for ducting, added insulation and such or a wall shaker I have no idea of how to cool my garage.
 
Ya know Andy other them paying OMG for ducting, added insulation and such or a wall shaker I have no idea of how to cool my garage.
A blender, a bunch of ice, and some top shelf "libation", usually makes a perfectly
acceptable substitute! :rofl1::rofl1::lmao:
Andy :wavey:
 
My garage it attached to the house. There is insulationin the attic over the garage. I didn't insulate the garage door for the car. I did it for me. I like to do small things in the garage, but the heat was stifling and I would sweat me arse off after 10 minutes. Now, although still warm, it is much more tolerable.
 
I have an attached to the house four car garage (24 x 48) that houses my three Vettes plus the wife's Buick Enclave. The roof above the garage is insulated and all four of the single car garage doors are insulated. When the house was built in 2005 Lee County would not allow me to put a ducted A/C system in the garage because it was attached to the house. Even though I was willing to put a third A/C system in for just the garage, the county would not allow it because they were concerned that fumes from the garage would be able to get into the house through the ducts. So, the only means of cooling the garage was a split system (ductless). I put a 2 ton split system in the garage and I just am not happy with it. When I am going to work on one of the cars, I will turn the A/C on 30 to 40 minutes prior to going out there and it does an ok job of pulling the humidity out of the air and cooling down the two garage bays closest to the system. A room this size I really believe needs to have a ducted system with a separate ducted return. I have talked with my A/C maintenance guy that checks out the two systems for the house twice a year and he has told me when I finally get fed up with the split system that he would consider putting a ducted system in the garage for me. I think this is the only way that I would be happy. So for now, I will live with the split system but I would not recommend this to anyone trying to cool a garage larger than about 24 x 30.

Rich
 
I have an attached to the house four car garage (24 x 48) that houses my three Vettes plus the wife's Buick Enclave. The roof above the garage is insulated and all four of the single car garage doors are insulated. When the house was built in 2005 Lee County would not allow me to put a ducted A/C system in the garage because it was attached to the house. Even though I was willing to put a third A/C system in for just the garage, the county would not allow it because they were concerned that fumes from the garage would be able to get into the house through the ducts. So, the only means of cooling the garage was a split system (ductless). I put a 2 ton split system in the garage and I just am not happy with it. When I am going to work on one of the cars, I will turn the A/C on 30 to 40 minutes prior to going out there and it does an ok job of pulling the humidity out of the air and cooling down the two garage bays closest to the system. A room this size I really believe needs to have a ducted system with a separate ducted return. I have talked with my A/C maintenance guy that checks out the two systems for the house twice a year and he has told me when I finally get fed up with the split system that he would consider putting a ducted system in the garage for me. I think this is the only way that I would be happy. So for now, I will live with the split system but I would not recommend this to anyone trying to cool a garage larger than about 24 x 30.

Rich

Have you tried running a standalone dehumidifier in the garage? Maybe just extracting the humidity would help. Of course, dehumidifiers tend to output heat, so there is that drawback to them.
 
Have you tried running a standalone dehumidifier in the garage? Maybe just extracting the humidity would help. Of course, dehumidifiers tend to output heat, so there is that drawback to them.

No I haven't, but I have toyed with the idea of putting some ceiling fans in to help move the air around. The real problem with the ductless system is that the return is in the face of the split system and would be ok if I was dealing with a smaller room, like a 2 car garage. But there is no way for that system to draw the warm air back to the unit almost 50 feet away. I just have a system that is designed for an application that is different than mine.

I remember as a kid, and A/C units where not that common in houses, some homes up in Maryland had what we called a whole house fan. It was mounted in the ceiling near the center of the house, typically in a hallway, and it sucked air out of the house and vented it into the attic. It really did make the house a lot cooler. I have thought about something like this in the ceiling of my garage, above the bay that is the farthest away from the split system, to help move and circulate the cool air coming out of the A/C unit. But just not sure whether I would be accomplishing what I want, which is to cool all four bays when I want to work in the garage.

I will say, that I don't have the problem that you have Rich. My garage is attached to the house, is made of concrete block that has been filled with poured concrete. It is not a stand alone metal building like you have. I would think that you have a much more difficult challenge than my situation. But, if I had your garage, I would be looking into insulating the entire building and putting a ducted high efficiency A/C system in it. We all spend a bunch of money on our toys and I think it makes sense to protect what we spent as best we can. You made the right move in building the garage and getting away from just a car port. Making it comfortable for you and the cars only makes sense to me. Just my opinion!

Good luck figuring out what makes the most sense for you.

Rich
 
Seriously, you might want to look into a dehumidifier. I think it will make a LOT of difference. I have one in the garage running constantly with a drain running outside so I don't have to empty the bucket every day. It died a couple of days ago. Well, actually I killed it trying to unclog the drain, but it's kind of coming back to life again. I wasn't as careful as I should have been with the hose, I guess, but this was the third time I tried unclogging it and I was pretty aggravated by then. Anyway, just from that couple of days being without the dehumidifier, it got very noticeably damper and more uncomfortable feeling in the garage. You could actually even smell the difference with things starting to get damp. Cardboard seems to be the first thing to let you know it's too damp in a room. And of course any little thing I did in there got me sweating like crazy. I have a 70 quart model and it seems to do a bang up job with my entire garage. I have another fan that circulates the air to help keep the dry air zone from being limited to only right around the dehumidifier.

Anyway, the old dehumidifier works if I put it into continuous mode, as the humidity sensor seems to be whacked now. But I've got a new one supposed to show up today sometime. Unless FedEx screws up, of course. Normally they are here by now.....

I think there is a WORLD of difference between 90 degrees with 50 percent humidity and 90 degrees at 95 percent humidity when you are working in it.
 
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