• Got the Contributing Memberships stuff finally worked out and made up a thread as a sort of "How-To" to help people figure out how to participate. So if you need help figuring it out, here's the thread you need to take a look at -> http://www.corvetteflorida.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3581 Thank you, everyone! Rich Z.

ObamaCare has gotten me!

Rich Z

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OK, so I figured if I can't beat them, might as well join them. Of sorts, anyway. Not really trying to beat anyone, but I can say that the extremely high health insurance payments Connie and I have been paying were just getting way out of hand. When we got the current bill due for the first quarter of 2015, it was obvious that a change needed to be made. To be perfectly honest, those bills would eat up all our retirement budget completely. Had it not been for the modest income I am getting from my websites, we would be in BIG trouble financially. I used to joke about becoming a greeter at Walmart to try to make ends meet, but it wouldn't have been so funny had it come to be true.

I'll be 65 this upcoming July, so I presume I will go on Medicare then. But that still leaves Connie needing insurance. We needed to figure out what to do about that. So we went to talk to an insurance agent with Blue Cross & Blue Shield (they call it "Florida Blue" here) to see what sort of options we have, if any.

Well, short story is that by signing up for ObamaCare, the government would pay the insurance company directly a big chunk of what the policy costs without the subsidy. We are going with the lowest version (bronze) with the high deductible, simply because we just don't get sick. Except for the appendicitis I had in 2008, the only time I have been to the doctor has been for a problem with ear wax impaction that crops up every 4 years or so. Connie hasn't been to a doctor at all except for regular checkups. So we're thinking that a catastrophic plan would be our best bet. Yeah, we get the typical aches and pains associated with just getting old, but it's not anything to be running to the doctor about. We just deal with it. So anyway, it works out that we would be paying out of pocket something like $250 per month for this health insurance and the government will be paying Florida Blue around $1200 per month as a sort of prepaid tax credit.

OK I'll be honest, I don't have a clue about how this is supposed to work. So the government is going to be paying $1200 per month in my behalf which is considered as being a tax credit on my projected 2015 income. So in yearly terms, that is a $14,400 tax credit. Now I have NEVER paid that much income tax, so how can there be an expected credit of that amount? I'll be honest, that is over half of what I would even expect to make next year as gross adjusted income. So WHERE does this money come from?

More importantly, when I fill out my 2015 taxes in April of 2016 and this prepaid tax credit has to be reconciled, am I going to get a bill for it? In effect, I will have already gotten my tax refund in the form of this credit. It went to the insurance company directly. I'm sorry, but this just doesn't make any sense to me. The money doesn't even exist at the time it is being paid to the insurance company. I haven't earned any income yet, so surely the tax income hasn't been received by the government. Heck, I could DIE before filing my taxes. Then what?

So suppose I would expect to normally pay around $6,000 in federal income taxes for 2015. With the government paying $14,400 towards my health insurance, what happens on the bottom line of my tax return? Do I now OWE them the difference? So instead of having to pay $6,000 will I owe $20,400 to pay for the money already sent to the insurance company?

There is something either really screwy about this or I am just missing an important part of the puzzle. Or, more likely, there is one hell of a hook hidden in this worm dangling in front of me.
 
Your insurance agent/broker should be able to answer the technical stuff. I imagine that as far as "who's paying for it?", that's probably everybody who pays income taxes. That's how I see it, anyway. Money has to come from somebody, right? It doesn't just get plucked from a tree.
 
I would bet the printing presses are running 24/7 to print up money. That's why prices have gotten so high for stuff. Money is just worth a LOT less than it used to be and the prices of REAL commodities reflects this. For some reason the government believes that inflation is a GOOD thing.
 
Yeah, I've actually heard some arguments that inflation is GOOD, and deflation is BAD. So what would deflation be? Well, the value of money INCREASING relative to the price of commodities. Why in the world would that be bad? You would have more buying power for your dollars.... :crazy03: Yeah, it's pretty much a given that Washington DC is just nuts.
 
Well, THEY made the error, so THEY should eat it.......... If the government wants to play like a business, then they certainly should act like one.

Of course, I know I'm going to get shafted one way or another by this, but hopefully I will be on Medicare before then.
 
Well, THEY made the error, so THEY should eat it.......... If the government wants to play like a business, then they certainly should act like one.

Of course, I know I'm going to get shafted one way or another by this, but hopefully I will be on Medicare before then.

C'mon Rich, you know how it works. The government screws up, we pay the price. :thumbsdown:
 
C'mon Rich, you know how it works. The government screws up, we pay the price. :thumbsdown:

Yeah, you are right. How many trillions of dollars are we in debt now because of those idiots? They should all be tarred and feathered and then marched right into the Potomac River.
 
I just got a quote for insurance from healthcare.gov.....With an estimated income of $20,000 this year myself, my wife and two boys(18 and 16) would cost $827.00 a month and have a $13000 deductible. It stated that me and my wife would receive no assistance and my two boys would qualify for medicaid.

Then I just requested a quote for myself and my wife alone. With an estimated income of $20,000 this year we qualify for a tax credit of $1081.91 which would make our health care coverage -0-$ with a $12550 deductible!

How does this work? Low income with dependents and we get no help. Same income with no dependents, it's free?! (Our income will likely be higher than this but we are retired drawing from our 401's)
 
I just got a quote for insurance from healthcare.gov.....With an estimated income of $20,000 this year myself, my wife and two boys(18 and 16) would cost $827.00 a month and have a $13000 deductible. It stated that me and my wife would receive no assistance and my two boys would qualify for medicaid.

Then I just requested a quote for myself and my wife alone. With an estimated income of $20,000 this year we qualify for a tax credit of $1081.91 which would make our health care coverage -0-$ with a $12550 deductible!

How does this work? Low income with dependents and we get no help. Same income with no dependents, it's free?! (Our income will likely be higher than this but we are retired drawing from our 401's)


so let me get this right, you pay 827 a month, $9924 a year for insurance, then you have a $13,000 deductable, so you will have to come out of pocket $22,924 before Insurance will pay anything? so everything you will make, PLUS $2,924 would have to be used before they pay a dime, and somehow you still have to be able to eat, pay for housing, power, water, and then vehicle and gas to get to and from the Dr office..... this blows my mind how they think this is better than what it was before....

BTW, did yall notice how the same person who promised affordable healthcare also proposed free college? let's see how this one turns out....
 
so let me get this right, you pay 827 a month, $9924 a year for insurance, then you have a $13,000 deductable, so you will have to come out of pocket $22,924 before Insurance will pay anything? so everything you will make, PLUS $2,924 would have to be used before they pay a dime, and somehow you still have to be able to eat, pay for housing, power, water, and then vehicle and gas to get to and from the Dr office..... this blows my mind how they think this is better than what it was before....

BTW, did yall notice how the same person who promised affordable healthcare also proposed free college? let's see how this one turns out....

Works out wonderfully for the insurance companies, now doesn't it? The insureds pay for premiums, the government subsidizes those premium payments directly to the insurance companies, and the deductible will NEVER be realistically met (look up commercial repricing to see just how large the deductible will REALLY BE), so the insurance companies NEVER really have to pay out even a dime for any claims. It's all going to be pure profit for them. You have to wonder how much money crossed palms from the insurance companies to our "representatives" to force this into becoming law...
 
Yeah, isn't this the one where Nancy Pelosi said "We have to pass it to see what's in it"? If I have to pay $13000 before the insurance kicks in I may as well save the monthly premiums, pay the stupid fine, and just hope no one has a catastrophic illness.
 
I got this from a friend of mine.


Nice summary by a Purdue engineer.
Here are the 10,535 pages of Obama Care condensed to 4 sentences..

1. In order to insure the uninsured, we first have to uninsure the insured.
2. Next, we require the newly uninsured to be re-insured.
3. To re-insure the newly uninsured, they are required to pay extra charges to be re-insured.
4. The extra charges are required so that the original insured, who became uninsured, and then became re-insured, can pay enough extra so that the original uninsured can be insured, which will be free of charge to them.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is called "redistribution of wealth" ...or, by its more common name......... SOCIALISM
 
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