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Is anyone else having problems with their custom engine tunes and the 10% methanol, since the third tankful, my car seems like it is flat in the lower RPM ranges.
 
silverback said:
Is anyone else having problems with their custom engine tunes and the 10% methanol, since the third tankful, my car seems like it is flat in the lower RPM ranges.
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Yes,I have had the same problem with my head and cam cars.It seems to idle really ruff.The power will also become a little flat on low end.I am thinking of enabling the flex fuel option in the newer cars to see what happens.:banghead:
 
My brother works in the petroleum industry and he said some stations are having problems with ethanol. Seems as though ethanol is a solvent, and when stations convert over to using ethanol it can clean any residue built up on the walls of the fuel tanks, and it ends up in the fuel. Also ethanol is what helps give the fuel its octain rating. You can start out with gas that has an 82 octain rating and with the proper mix of ethanol it bumps it up to 87 or higher. The problem is if that mixture gets messed up you may not be getting 93 octain.
Unless they do an about face eventually every gas station in Florida will be ethanol based..
 
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Well the REAL problem with biofuels is that they are robbing Peter to pay Paul. Yeah, maybe gas prices will be a bit cheaper.... But better squeeze those pennies you save, because you're going to need them when you get to the grocery store and see how high FOOD prices have become as a direct result. Why can't they use something like kudzu or some other noxious weed instead of FOOD to generate ethanol? Or better yet, mosquitoes and lovebugs! :thumbsup:
 
Does anyone know of any gas stations that do not have an ethanol mix? It seems that they all have it posted on their pumps now, or at least Shell, BP, Hess and Speedway.
 
Joe the last time I filled up at Chevron it did not have ethanol added, but I believe all stations will have it eventually. .....
 
The only one down here that I have seen with that corn garbage in it is Racetrac.

I have noticed sometimes after pumping at Racetrac too much the car does seem to be missing a small umph to it. Ethanol sucks! The car runs like crap on it and it costs more to make then gas. Look how much the damn price of rice, corn and wheat have gone up recently. For this garbage we might as well be pi$sing in our gastanks!:thumbsdown:
 
So the whole idea, as I understand it, was for the ethanol to help supplement the gasoline supply? But it gives less power per throttle position, so you have to give it MORE throttle (meaning burning more fuel) to get the same acceleration straight gasoline would give. Which probably means overall gas mileage is worse, which means you are using MORE ethanol laced fuel for every mile you drive. :crazy9:

They say the line between genius and insanity is VERY thin, and I think the geniuses in Washington D.C. that came up with this plan fell LOTS of lines short of hitting the genius side of the line.....

Or someone with friends in high places is making some serious money off of this boondoggle.
 
Rich Z said:
So the whole idea, as I understand it, was for the ethanol to help supplement the gasoline supply? But it gives less power per throttle position, so you have to give it MORE throttle (meaning burning more fuel) to get the same acceleration straight gasoline would give. Which probably means overall gas mileage is worse, which means you are using MORE ethanol laced fuel for every mile you drive. :crazy9:

They say the line between genius and insanity is VERY thin, and I think the geniuses in Washington D.C. that came up with this plan fell LOTS of lines short of hitting the genius side of the line.....

Or someone with friends in high places is making some serious money off of this boondoggle.
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No s#!t!!!!!!! Everything I've read says it's gas mileage is not only worse but it eats your fuel lines for any car not equiped with it stock. Great huh?

Ethanol once again, is garbage!!!!!!!!! Maybe now is the time to start considering spiking the gas with pure acetone to offset the crummie ethanol!!!!
 
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No s#!t!!!!!!! Everything I've read says it's gas mileage is not only worse but it eats your fuel lines for any car not equiped with it stock. Great huh?

Ethanol once again, is garbage!!!!!!!!! Maybe now is the time to start considering spiking the gas with pure acetone to offset the crummie ethanol!!!!
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So they want to throw class action suits into the mix as well from a bunch of people having damaged fuel lines from the ethanol? If my vehicles get damaged because I am not given any choice or using it or not, much less WARNED about the side effects of using that stuff, someone other than me is going to pay for those repairs. Hey, if someone WANTS to use it, then offer it as an OPTION at the pump and more power to them. They can even add green dye to it if it gives them a warm and fuzzy using it. But DON'T cram it down MY throat if there is nothing realistically for ME to gain from using it, much less LOSING something because of it. :toetap05:
 
Rich Z said:
So they want to throw class action suits into the mix as well from a bunch of people having damaged fuel lines from the ethanol? If my vehicles get damaged because I am not given any choice or using it or not, much less WARNED about the side effects of using that stuff, someone other than me is going to pay for those repairs. Hey, if someone WANTS to use it, then offer it as an OPTION at the pump and more power to them. They can even add green dye to it if it gives them a warm and fuzzy using it. But DON'T cram it down MY throat if there is nothing realistically for ME to gain from using it, much less LOSING something because of it. :toetap05:
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Damn right!!!!!! I told you that corn doesn't equal performance!!!!!!!! Might as well be pi$sing in our gastanks!!!
 
Rich Z said:
So they want to throw class action suits into the mix as well from a bunch of people having damaged fuel lines from the ethanol? If my vehicles get damaged because I am not given any choice or using it or not, much less WARNED about the side effects of using that stuff, someone other than me is going to pay for those repairs. Hey, if someone WANTS to use it, then offer it as an OPTION at the pump and more power to them. They can even add green dye to it if it gives them a warm and fuzzy using it. But DON'T cram it down MY throat if there is nothing realistically for ME to gain from using it, much less LOSING something because of it. :toetap05:
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I'm with ya Rich. :banghead:
 
10% ethanol won't hurt anything. 100% will eat plastic for lunch. I believe you'd be good to around 30%, but I think that's where is pushes the envelope of melting plastic. 10% won't hurt your gas mileage either...it's just enough to raise the octane of a lower grade & cheaper fuel. I can double check my numbers with dad if anyone is interested. He works in the petrochemical industry, mainly with Citgo (which I recommend not using).
 
Even in dilute form caustic agents will cause damage, just in smaller amounts for like periods than of a stronger mixture. And such damages are CUMULATIVE. Meaning although the damage is small, over time it will add up to BIG damage. Plastics don't HEAL after minor damage.

As an example, take a solution of 10 percent sulphuric acid and swab it on your arm every day for a year and tell me what your arm looks like a year from now.
 
Rich Z said:
Even in dilute form caustic agents will cause damage, just in smaller amounts for like periods than of a stronger mixture

As an example, take a solution of 10 percent sulphuric acid and swab it on your arm every day for a year and tell me what your arm looks like a year from now.
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Sounds like a good WART remover. :ack2:
 
I said it before and I'll say it again......corn, wheat and rice are for eating, not combustion!!!!!! Why is my damn sack of rice now 70% more?!

F@(king ethanol garbage!!!!!:thumbsdown:
 
first of all this is kind of cool, the longest thread that I have ever started. I do not know that much about ethanol, as you can see from the title 10% methanol. I did use to drive methanol burning outboard hydroplanes, and we had the problems of it eating aluminum, fuel line, having to fog the engine with oil for it would dry out and become metal to metal, but the worst is and was that it would combine with water and become nonburnable. So is this new national fuel doing the same in our cars. Do not know but I am not happy about using it without any other choice. Also with the methanol, we burned over 3 gals for a 5 mile race, it takes more to make the same btus..
 
I don't know man, but I know that I'm noticing my 'vette feeling a tad sluggish, like when you put 87 octane in it and the gas mileage is looking shitty.

I've barely driven it and went from a full tank to three quarters of a tank in no time. It's crap.:thumbsdown:
 
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