• Got the Contributing Memberships stuff finally worked out and made up a thread as a sort of "How-To" to help people figure out how to participate. So if you need help figuring it out, here's the thread you need to take a look at -> http://www.corvetteflorida.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3581 Thank you, everyone! Rich Z.

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Ms. AntiVenom said:
Well understood Mr.Junk:yesnod: You must talk to Greg allot, you sound just like him!
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Nope,Haven't talked to Greg in about a year,I only bother him when I've got one making me pull the precious little of my hair out!!:lmao:It might be a good time to call and say"How the heck you doing?"!!:thumbsup: :D
 
Gang, this thread is a serious issue. Please refrain from the off topic chatter within it. Hate to be a wet banket, but I think some focus is called for here.

Thanks....
 
He had the money since March. My check was written as of March 15th. I understand being busy why do you think it took me this long to go down there. I still don't know all the details of why my engine is blown, Lord knows I wish I did.

I'm sorry you think there are holes in my story or that it doesn't make sense. I believed him when he said he was working on it. I listened to the excuses which ranged from personal to professional. I was told in July it would be a "couple of weeks" I was told Nov 2nd a "couple of days". We've been friends for 6 years or so, and not just casual friends either, the kind that actually do things for each other. We've always taken care of each other before. I didn't think he'd lie to me about working on it.

Yes, my circumstances changed to need my car back but it should have been done long ago.

I've been trying to keep it from this point I gave him two weeks to respond to me to tell me what was going on before I went down there. It broke my heart to see my car sitting there. I was hoping all along that my other friends were wrong. The only thing that's even gotten his attention was me posting on here.
 
Well, personally I think that both Chris and yourself need to just sit down together and work this out. Put it on paper, if necessary, so there is no mistake about what is expected. I don't know the details, but it is unfortunate to see a friendship shattered, no matter what the reasons.
 
Someoneyoushouldknow said:
He had the money since March. My check was written as of March 15th. I understand being busy why do you think it took me this long to go down there. I still don't know all the details of why my engine is blown, Lord knows I wish I did.

I'm sorry you think there are holes in my story or that it doesn't make sense. I believed him when he said he was working on it. I listened to the excuses which ranged from personal to professional. I was told in July it would be a "couple of weeks" I was told Nov 2nd a "couple of days". We've been friends for 6 years or so, and not just casual friends either, the kind that actually do things for each other. We've always taken care of each other before. I didn't think he'd lie to me about working on it.

Yes, my circumstances changed to need my car back but it should have been done long ago.

I've been trying to keep it from this point I gave him two weeks to respond to me to tell me what was going on before I went down there. It broke my heart to see my car sitting there. I was hoping all along that my other friends were wrong. The only thing that's even gotten his attention was me posting on here.
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Liz,
I have told you this and I will tell you again. I am sorry you think of me as a terrible person. We have been friends for a loonngg time and this of all things would have been the last thing I would have wanted to happen to our friendship.
I have spoken with you and also we have txd back and forth although I do admit me being a one-two man shop it is hard to get a hold of me at all times. We are trying to fix that!
I am not going to get on this site and have a bitch fest with you it will lead nowhere.

Now when you were at my shop Friday we discussed a solution to this problem, you showed me a blank contract you had written up. I told you we would get it filled out sit down come to an agreement and get it taken care. You emailed me late Friday night I didnt get home from the shop til 2am it was suppose to be way earlier but that did not happen.

Then on Sunday you start this... point is I thought Friday we had come to an agreement and we were gonna get together and put it in writing to satisfy BOTH parties because originally we had nothing in writing because this was all being done on the side to help you NOT for profit.
 
Rich Z said:
I'm sorry, but a lot of this just doesn't make sense to me..

Your car started having problems "in Dec of last year maybe earlier", so you and Chris "took the belts off and couldn't figure it out. We put new belts on. It still wasn't right, then we thought it was the water pump." So at that point "I was sent to a different shop to get the water pump changed, turned out it was the air compressor. I didn't have the money at the time to fix it so I went with a bypass." The original problem was a noise, and it was running slightly hot, a little bit of smoke as well. I don't see any mention of that the actual original problem was that you were trying to diagnose, but then "The other shop called me and said I needed a whole new engine".

So then you state "I picked the car up all the while on the phone with chris talking to him about how shady it was. He agreed.", which sounds to me you were the one making the claims about how "shady" the other shop was and Chris must have simply made some indication that he agreed.He met me where the car died and looked at it and told me it was fried.He didn't understand what was going on either, He'd looked at the car prior to it going and saw no indications that the engine was it's way out.

"Nothing he could do at this point my engine was screwed.", but yet you were able to "pick the car up"? The guy told me it was drivable. But then you state "We transported it to his shop in March of 09", where the term "transported" used here seems to indicate that it was not driven, but was perhaps towed?We put it on a trailer and brought it to Chris' So was the engine "screwed" before you took it to the other shop, or did that happen while it was in their care?

So after it was transported to Chris's shop, "Where it has sat since." Earlier you stated "I didn't have the money at the time to fix it so I went with a bypass." Did you at this time have enough money to replace the engine?I thought I posted that later, I got the money to buy my trailblazer and fix the GTP. So you then state "I've contacted several times every month when I write a check for insurance, off and on several times since July 31 when I got my new phone over 65 times.", which I am having trouble interpreting, but from between March and July 31 you tried contacting Chris "several times"? At what point did you PAY him for the work you needed done on your car?March 15th

It appears YOUR priorities changed when "On Nov 1st I was hit by a drunk driver in my Trailblazer, I called Chris from the accident scene. I begged him to complete my other car because I now needed it." Just from texts and not phone call here are the dates of contact from me to him referring to the car 7/31,8/14, 8/20, 8/23,8/31, 9/1, 9/15, 9/17, 9/28, 10/4, 10/10,10/12, 10/22, 11/2, 11/3, 11/4, 11/5, 11/6, 11/8 11/9, 11/10, 11/11, 11/12, 11/13, 11/14, 11/16, 11/17, 11/19, 11/22, 11/23, 11/24, 11/30, 12/1, 12/2, 12/3, 12/6, 12/7, 12/12, 12/13 More then half the time there was no reply and at least from Nov 30th till the 12th of Dec there was NO response at allIndicating that prior to this time, this really wasn't on the front burner for you, but suddenly became so, and you expected Chris to drop everything he had going on at the time and make YOUR now new top priority HIS as well.

I dunno, but there seems to be a lot of gaps in this story. Do you have anything at all in WRITING concerning what arrangements were made between yourself and Chris about the repairs on your car? It just appears from what I can gather from the above post that from March through November 1, you somehow developed a bum engine, which was not Chris's fault, quite possibly caused by something done at the "different shop". What was this "bypass" you mentioned? Could it have contributed to the engine problem in your efforts to save money? [COLOR="Red"[COLOR="Magenta"]]It was driven less than a mile with the bypass on it[/COLOR]. [/COLOR] I'm guessing you drove it home, then had it towed to Chris's shop, and unless you suddenly came up with enough money to have the engine fixed, quite likely told Chris to just hold it there until such time that you could afford to have it fixed. I don't see any indication of when that point in time occurred where you actually paid for any work to be done, unfortunately.[COLOR="Red"]I think I posted it multiple times 3/15/2009[/COLOR]

So finally Friday you took a trip to his shop. Was Chris there? Did you speak to him?[COLOR="Red"[COLOR="Red"]]Yes and Yes. It was not pretty[/COLOR].[/COLOR]

I believe in another post you claimed that Chris has both your car and your money. When did he get your money and what was the arrangement that was agreed to at that time? It would be great if you had this in writing so there is no confusion of the facts due to a misunderstanding which often happens in verbal discussions. Sometimes a "whenever you can get to it" means something completely different to each side of the discussion.

Facts and details really help in situations like this, if for no other reason then to try to have both sides of the discussion look at possible failures that both may have contributed to in the breakdown in communications.
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Hopefully that works I don't know how to quote and break up.
 
Chris you aren't a terrible person, what you did was terrible. I don't want to bitch back and forth either, but it would have been weeks before you ever responded and you know that. At least it opened a line of communication.

In a twisted kind of way it makes me laugh because I've been getting screwed in front of my friends for months but the second it happens in front of yours... it makes a difference. The male ego is a fragile thing.
 
Someoneyoushouldknow said:
Chris you aren't a terrible person, what you did was terrible. I don't want to bitch back and forth either, but it would have been weeks before you ever responded and you know that. At least it opened a line of communication.

In a twisted kind of way it makes me laugh because I've been getting screwed in front of my friends for months but the second it happens in front of yours... it makes a difference. The male ego is a fragile thing.
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Liz, I'm sorry but for someone who claims to have a law degree hanging on your wall, do you really think it is legally advisable to admit on a public forum that the purpose of your posting on this forum is to "screw" Chris?

Do you really think that post helps matters between you two, or is that not really your intent at all here?
 
Z06 Rocket said:
If your both in Tallahassee why does it take 4 hours to get to the shop? You can basically leave the state from Orlando in 4 hours....... :confused:
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:rofl1::lmao::rofl1::lmao:

So I see you've planned this trip before...Planning on leaving the state are ya?:lmao::lmao:

But seriously, he's correct:thumbsup: If both of you are in Tallahassee and both of you are "long time friends", why is it so difficult to go by the shop?
 
Or you can do it like this (use the "multi-Quote" function next to the "QUOTE" tab;))

Rich Z said:
Gang, this thread is a serious issue. Please refrain from the off topic chatter within it. Hate to be a wet banket, but I think some focus is called for here.
Thanks....
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:thumbsup::iagree:

Someoneyoushouldknow said:
He had the money since March. My check was written as of March 15th. I understand being busy why do you think it took me this long to go down there. I still don't know all the details of why my engine is blown, Lord knows I wish I did.

I'm sorry you think there are holes in my story or that it doesn't make sense. I believed him when he said he was working on it. I listened to the excuses which ranged from personal to professional. I was told in July it would be a "couple of weeks" I was told Nov 2nd a "couple of days". We've been friends for 6 years or so, and not just casual friends either, the kind that actually do things for each other. We've always taken care of each other before. I didn't think he'd lie to me about working on it.

Yes, my circumstances changed to need my car back but it should have been done long ago.

I've been trying to keep it from this point I gave him two weeks to respond to me to tell me what was going on before I went down there. It broke my heart to see my car sitting there. I was hoping all along that my other friends were wrong. The only thing that's even gotten his attention was me posting on here.
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Liz, when it sat from July through November (if I read the time line correctly?) why not do something then? Friends or not, if I take my car to a shop and need it worked on, unless I'm really not in a hurry, I want it done in less than 9-10 months. Hell, you can rebuild a car in that time from the ground up!

Rich Z said:
Well, personally I think that both Chris and yourself need to just sit down together and work this out. Put it on paper, if necessary, so there is no mistake about what is expected. I don't know the details, but it is unfortunate to see a friendship shattered, no matter what the reasons.
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Apparently that happened....

xtrememotorsports said:
Liz,
I have told you this and I will tell you again. I am sorry you think of me as a terrible person. We have been friends for a loonngg time and this of all things would have been the last thing I would have wanted to happen to our friendship.
I have spoken with you and also we have txd back and forth although I do admit me being a one-two man shop it is hard to get a hold of me at all times. We are trying to fix that!
I am not going to get on this site and have a bitch fest with you it will lead nowhere.

Now when you were at my shop Friday we discussed a solution to this problem, you showed me a blank contract you had written up. I told you we would get it filled out sit down come to an agreement and get it taken care. You emailed me late Friday night I didnt get home from the shop til 2am it was suppose to be way earlier but that did not happen.

Then on Sunday you start this... point is I thought Friday we had come to an agreement and we were gonna get together and put it in writing to satisfy BOTH parties because originally we had nothing in writing because this was all being done on the side to help you NOT for profit.
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You guys need to sit down with an independent mediator and hammer this thing out! It's apparent from both sides that, for whatever reason, work schedules, lives, distance, whatever? you two can't seem to get it worked out on your own:( :nonod:

Someoneyoushouldknow said:
Chris you aren't a terrible person, what you did was terrible. I don't want to bitch back and forth either, but it would have been weeks before you ever responded and you know that. At least it opened a line of communication.

In a twisted kind of way it makes me laugh because I've been getting screwed in front of my friends for months but the second it happens in front of yours... it makes a difference. The male ego is a fragile thing.
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Kind of kinky...:lmao::rofl1:

Seriously though, if you're an attorney as Rich implies below, wouldn't you have seen the light way before now?

Drop car off....promise completion time... weeks/months pass...no car/no progress/no communication....more time passes, more promises as to completion date....still no car/no progress/no communications?

How hard do you need to be hit?

Friends or otherwise, my first question is simple:

Why, after the first several months of no activity, no progress on the car and no communications, didn't you just go get your car?

Hell! A wrecker tow to another shop is cheaper than leaving the car abandoned and undriveable while you pay insurance don't you think?

If you have cancelled checks for the original work (performed or not) then there should be no justification for a mechanic's lien on the car, and no reason you couldn't just go get it back:thumbsup:

If he's doing the work for FREE as implied in Chris' statement above, then I can understand a bit more of a delay.

As a business owner, I have to place paying the bills ahead of the freebies (and I do a LOT of "freebies.")

Even with that, I can't let them wait forever. It's either get them done or tell them I can't handle them at the time being:(

But if it was going to be handled, then it needed to be either get it done, let me pay you to get it done (which your earlier post implied you did) or go retrieve yor car and go elsewhere.


Rich Z said:
Liz, I'm sorry but for someone who claims to have a law degree hanging on your wall, do you really think it is legally advisable to admit on a public forum that the purpose of your posting on this forum is to "screw" Chris?

Do you really think that post helps matters between you two, or is that not really your intent at all here?
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I partially disagree here. I don't think that was what Liz was saying.

While I wasn't all that impressed with the arrogant little gender bashing snip regarding the "fragile male ego":nonod::rolleyes: I do have some thoughts on the overall statement.

First, I think the whole thing should have remained between the two of them and not on a privately owned yet public forum.

That said, and we're still not getting all of the story (and we may never), based on her post it seems possibly that this has been going on elsewhere for a while?
Her comment about being "screwed in front of her friends" make me wonder...how? Liz, could you or would you, elaborate?

If this was truly a private issue, please tell us "how" you were being "screwed in front of your friends"? (seriously please).

IMO, her comment was not so much an admission of "intent" as it was a commentary on how things (specifically responses), changed in her perception. Nothing wrong with that and certainly nothing that would cause her problems in civil court.

At least this has gone from an ambiguous bitch thread to more specifics. Now it actually belongs here and hopefully, all sides will be able to reach a reasonable and friendly solution.:thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
My advice would be to get your $$$ back and take the car elsewhere. Even if it costs more in the long run, at least you'll get the car back in a realistic time frame.
 
She did txt me once..I got a hold of Chris and he said he would call her...did he? I dont know...I do know alot has happened this past year and he doesn't keep me up to date with EVERYTHING because he doesn't want to stress me with timelines etc.no matter how much I ask him to keep me informed. I have not had the best of health or luck not that any of that matters.:NoNo:
But your right Ms A ,I am cool as S&^%...:rofl1: J/K J/K
I agree 10 months is a long time.... Liz knows what happened, Chris knows what happened, I kinda know what happened..whos right, who's wrong who the heck knows....
I do know there are 2 sides to every story not saying either one of them is right or wrong, and I do know we considered Liz as one of our close friends or we wouldn't have loaded up late that night and went and got her when her car broke down, brought her home and then trailered her car to the shop for her to save her $...nor would Chris have just recently put brakes on and tuned her Trailblazer before it got hit....

sucky situation and sucky way to lose a friend :thumbsdown: :( !
and sorry I dont have all the answers, wish I did :shrug01:
 
Actually Keli, since you bring up Chris working on the TB, he did a tune up and a gasket. He was contacted several times prior to working on it that I needed to take it in to get a gasket fixed, to please finish my car so I could have the dealership do it. Chris was the one who said he'd do it and took my truck then charged me to do so, I also contacted him afterward with an issue after the tune up which I finally got resolved by taking it to Big 10 tires where they fixed the 2qts of missing tranny fluid. I let Chris no this imediately, and no response. He never touched my brakes at all. Also no he did not call me when I texted you, also he still have not emailed the requested info from Friday evening.
 
Someoneyoushouldknow said:
Actually Keli, since you bring up Chris working on the TB, he did a tune up and a gasket. He was contacted several times prior to working on it that I needed to take it in to get a gasket fixed, to please finish my car so I could have the dealership do it. Chris was the one who said he'd do it and took my truck then charged me to do so, I also contacted him afterward with an issue after the tune up which I finally got resolved by taking it to Big 10 tires where they fixed the 2qts of missing tranny fluid. I let Chris no this imediately, and no response. He never touched my brakes at all. Also no he did not call me when I texted you, also he still have not emailed the requested info from Friday evening.
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No you got brakes and a dyno tune....nothing to do with a gasket and nothing to do with a tune up...thats exactly what the receipt that you declined to take when you were at my house states. I did indeed print it out for you but you said you didn't need it.

Now as far as the trans fluid being low brakes and a dyno tune has nothing to do with that. NO FLUIDS were touched or changed, you did not get a TUNE UP like the old days you got a DYNO TUNE he reprogrammed the computer in your truck.
I have the CC notes stating it was done Friday July 31st @ 5:29PM, ( I thought it was later in the night but thats what the CC receipt staes)and in the notes section which can NOT be changed after you submit payment, it states TUNE AND BRAKES.
I was with him when he bought the brake pads he bought performance pads because of the horse trailers you would be hauling and he used one of our friends lifts here in Tallahassee who owns a business on the West side to do them to keep from driving out to the shop on no brakes.

I do have that invoice and I will send it to you..As far as anything else I dont THINK there was anything else done that we have a receipt for. But I will check again.
 
He told me that he fixed the code and fluids. It was there because of the code, it would make no sense for him not to fix that? None of this makes sense.My mistake on the brakes, I stand corrected and I'm sorry that I said that. See saying you're sorry is easy.
 
Everytime my friends had to drive me some where it would be something like this

"Don't you have a second car?" -Friend
"yeah, it's in the shop too" -Me
"Still???"-Friend
"yep."-Me
"that guy is screwing you"- Friend
"and not in the good way" -Me

I wrote it as a mini-play to both entertain and inform. I didn't mean it as a sign of intent I meant it as a statement of opinion on the situation. While I am far from a male basher sometimes a little kick to the ego is needed. I too call it like I see it.
 
As for not taking it (the receipt) with me it was because he said I'd have my car back in a couple of weeks. I figured it was going to be the end of this very long ridiculous story. I would have never needed it, if he'd just done what he said he was going to do. I love you both as people and that makes this really hard. If he just hadn't lied so many times I would believe him now when he says he is going to make it right.
 
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