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[Shadow]

And no I didn't ****ing sit there and TELL the investigator what to do, he told ME what he was going to do based off of all the EVIDENCE collected, **** you jump to conclusions like every other Glen Beck ball sucking idiot in this country.

You sure made it sound like you were in control of Chris' fate though, didn't you?
Oh, and for the record son, I don't care for Glen Beck.
Apparrently however, you seem more in tunedd with him and his following? It's interesting how "ball sucking" was the first thing to pop into your mind?

Huum...good thing the military kept the don't ask, don't tell policy huh?:lmao:

What's funny is that you YOURSELF say you highly doubt the investigator was doing what you THOUGHT I was implying, but didn't let that sway you into whipping out old faithful and trying to get your jimmies off. Please someone ban me from this retarded ass retirement home you idiots call a forum.

God I wish that statement even came close to making sense? It'd probably be entertaining. Do you have any idea what you look like to the rest of us?
Why not try this same chit on one of the other forums and see how long it lasts.

You'd get away with the ranting and such, but the name calling would probably be your downfall.
One day, maybe you'll grow up?

As for the ban, I'd love to oblidge, but it's more fun to see you whip yourself into a stroke tempting frenzy:lmao::rofl1:

I should ignore all of the chest thumping your doing in your petty attempt to blow what I said out of proportion.

Based on your statements, yes, you probably should.
And for the record son, I just took what you said and made an observation. Put on your big girl panties and deal with it[/COLOR]

Go back, delete your post, take a breath, and seriously STFU before you waste your time thinking you are the almighty law master of the world.

Ok, I'll think about it....thinking....thinking....thinking...uh...no.....it stays

What an arrogant, immature twit! I see your attitude and personality haven't gotten any better since your last little vacation.

Let me CLARIFY the statement for you, which you should have asked for me to do before going on a rampage.

Sorry son. Didn't know I had to have your "permission" before posting. I'll attempt to do better next time.
Now please....."clarify"...

It's simple. If Chris steals from me, it will be noted for Consumer Affairs. If he is found to have committed criminal acts, then he will be charged with criminal offenses

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So far so good...

So I AFFORDED the opportunity the return the things he stole, or otherwise, the affidavit would indeed reflect the TRUTHFUL events that took place, which would involve him stealing.

I assume that in your youthful and uncontrolled rage, you meant to say that you afforded "him" the opportunity....It's difficult to type when your pissed off isn't it?

So...

If he RETURNED the parts, then it would reflect the TRUTHFUL events that took place, which would involve him NOT stealing.

You're tossing around "truthful" as though it were some sort of operative term? I would assume and expect, that ALL of your statements would be "Truthful" regardless of the outcome.
So, did he steal from your or did he not? Kinda like being pregnant. Either you are or you aren't.

Why the **** are you such a goddamn idiot?

I don't know? Maybe too many years putting up with simple minded people?
Now, try to control your childish rage son...it's not befitting a member of the mililtary...

It is a FELONY because he stole parts in an excess of $250

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Exactly!!!

guess what ding dong, it wouldn't be a felony if he didn't steal my ****ing parts!!!

Is it even remotely possible that you can carry on a conversation or debate without resorting to juvenile name calling? It makes you sound....well.....stupid....

That aside, a quick lesson in probable cause...once the crime is committed, it remains a FELONY even if he returns the part(s) (ding dong:lmao.

The fact that one returns stolen property after the commission of the crime, DOES NOT NEGATE THE CRIME.
Of course, if you had any sort of real criminal investigative background, you'd understand that

Chris would still be fined for the laws he broke on the business side, but not for a felony by any means.

Actually Dan, it would be up to the investigating officer and the State whether criminal charges were pursued. Not you.
Certainly fines would be levied because, well, that's what the state does....gotta keep those coffers full somehow....

Face it, if the state were "really concerned" with safeguarding the public against unscrupulous shops, he'd not be in business at the moment, now woould he?

Get out of here with your stupid ****ing smiley face usage

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You mean these:
:rofl1::lmao::yesnod::NoNo::thumbsdown:

I can and WILL effect the states case because mine (and others, in case you forgot about them) had crimes committed against us, and if we hadn't there would be no case....surprise! Logic!

Well, it's "logic" alright...BS logic:lmao:

And sure you will.
You and the others, (no one forgot them, they're just not out here sounding like a whiney 4 year old!) will have an "effect" on the states case....as a states witness.

if we hadn't there would be no case

No kidding? Really? I had no idea.....

BTW-Here's a little tidbit for you....YOU are not the "victim."
The STATE is the VICTIM.
You are merely a witness.

I guess writing statements is doing nothing though

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No, ...it's writing statements. All part of the process.

And if he lawyers up, BOHICA! A good defense attorney will have you doing depositions, digging up and presenting documentation and appearing at motion hearings for the next year.
Hopefully, you'll have a much calmer, more professional, and less aggressive disposition in person than you do on the keyboard, and not totally feck up the states case by becoming a prick!

Pardon me, I'll go back to where all the mind****ed people are not swinging around on their branches of self importance

If wherever you're going is catering to your behavior, I don't think I want or need to be there. This "tree" is just fine, thank you.

But whatever you decide, on the way out...just don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya...:wavey::lmao:

 

[Shadow]

Done!:thumbsup:

Well, okay. I don't have the power, but you need not worry, someone who does will surely be along soon. I like this forum, and if it was a retirement home then we would have cookies.:shrug01:

Personally, I won't give him the pleasure. He'll have to leave on his own.

As I mentioned above, I'd rather watch him work himself into a stroke tempting frenzy than ban him....that's too easy:lmao:

Hell, Dan's already plastered this over some other site(s). I saw it the other day somewhere? Must be the "age". I can't remember where?

But if the state does decide to charge Chris, I can follow along on the clerks website just as easily and not have to put up with FB's juvenile namecalling:lmao::thumbsup:

I'll see what I can do about the cookies:thumbsup:

 

[Rich Z]

What's funny is that you YOURSELF say you highly doubt the investigator was doing what you THOUGHT I was implying, but didn't let that sway you into whipping out old faithful and trying to get your jimmies off. Please someone ban me from this retarded ass retirement home you idiots call a forum.

No, you can't. But I can. I quite frankly, I'm just sick and tired to death of this guy spouting off his nonsense on this site. But I put up with it just out of fairness. But when he starts belittling one of my moderators in such an antagonistic and derogatory manner, well, time to show this dude the door....
:wavey:

 

[Bob K]

Wow, just when I started feeling sorry for him and then he does this.

Before I read the latest I was going to ask Shadow about the criminal charges. If I file a complaint and the prosecutor determines a crime was committed I have no control over what they do. Correct?

If he does give the parts back, if any were in fact stolen, that would only affect what the judge may do. Correct?

Not making any excuses for his rants but it looks to me like maybe alcohol or drugs may be involved. One minute he's on cruise control and then it's like a volcano erupted. Just a thought.

 

[Shadow]

Wow, just when I started feeling sorry for him and then he does this.

Before I read the latest I was going to ask Shadow about the criminal charges. If I file a complaint and the prosecutor determines a crime was committed I have no control over what they do. Correct?

If he does give the parts back, if any were in fact stolen, that would only affect what the judge may do. Correct?

Not making any excuses for his rants but it looks to me like maybe alcohol or drugs may be involved. One minute he's on cruise control and then it's like a volcano erupted. Just a thought.

He's in the military so I doubt drugs are at issue. He's young, pissed off and knows it all. Tough combination (most of us have been there).

To answer your questions, yes, you do have some influence over the prosecution, especially at the street level.

If you call lets say, the police over an alleged theft. The officer responds, conducts an investigation and during that time, the suspect returns your property and asks forgiveness....the officer at thier discretion may provide you with a "waiver of prosecution" that you can sign, and stop everything at that point.

Alternatively, you will be given the opportunity to speak your mind with the State Attorney during one of the intake proceedings (each jurisdiction differs).

If the state feels you're happy, you ask them to do so, and there's no other objection, the state may LOR, or Letter of Release the defendant or Nolle Prosse, or non-prosse as some have called it, and simply not go forward with the case.

But "we" don't have the final decision as to charges. That's a realm left to the state. The bottom line is the State is the victim. We are merely witnesses. Without us or with us hostile toward the prosecution and non-cooperative, it makes the states case difficult to prosecute and usually, not worth the time, effort or expense.

Hope that explains it for you?

I'll have to periodcally check with the state to see if charges have been filed?

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[Bob K]

That kind of helps but I don't understand the state being the victim. We can discuss this in person hopefully in a week or two. It's been 3 weeks now. Dam-.

 

[Shadow]

That kind of helps but I don't understand the state being the victim. We can discuss this in person hopefully in a week or two. It's been 3 weeks now. Dam-.

They take a while....government only moves quickly when there's $$$ involved:lmao:

The reason the state is the victim is because the defendant is violating a statute. Theft (Petit or Grand) is a statutory violation.

The party claiming the loss is the complaining witness.

 

[Bob K]

They take a while....government only moves quickly when there's $$$ involved:lmao:

The reason the state is the victim is because the defendant is violating a statute. Theft (Petit or Grand) is a statutory violation.

The party claiming the loss is the complaining witness.

So they could prosecute and not give fatbum any money. That would be the civil action?

 

[Shadow]

So they could prosecute and not give fatbum any money. That would be the civil action?

2 Separate issues.

They (the State) can prosecute, even over BUM's objection (usually won't, but could).

For him to get money (other than from the crime victims compensation fund), he'll have to sue Chris himself. The state doesn't do that for you.

The lawsuit can result in compensatory damages, punitive damages, or both...$$$$ Cha Ching!

 

[Bob K]

2 Separate issues.

They (the State) can prosecute, even over BUM's objection (usually won't, but could).

For him to get money (other than from the crime victims compensation fund), he'll have to sue Chris himself. The state doesn't do that for you.

The lawsuit can result in compensatory damages, punitive damages, or both...$$$$ Cha Ching!

Got ya. IMO, i would have gotten the state involved but pursuing civil action is another matter. If a relative is a lawyer that may help but by the time you spend all of the money you probably still lose.

I have never been involved in something like this so it's only speculation on my part. Thanks for all of your input Shadow. Some of us appreciate it. :thumbsup:

 

[Rich Z]

I wonder if the guy did a realistic assessment of what the value of his old parts really is compared to the cost (money, time, and effort) to file a civil lawsuit? Perhaps he knows some really CHEAP attorneys?

Heck, I had an attorney tell me that unless I was seeking damages of at least $100K, then the case just wasn't worth his time.

Yeah, you might get a letter written containing threats of litigation and such for a couple of hundred bucks, but once a response comes back that makes it plain that the issue will only be able to be settled in court, well, you had better be checking to see just how deep your own pockets are.

 

[Bob K]

I wonder if the guy did a realistic assessment of what the value of his old parts really is compared to the cost (money, time, and effort) to file a civil lawsuit? Perhaps he knows some really CHEAP attorneys?

Heck, I had an attorney tell me that unless I was seeking damages of at least $100K, then the case just wasn't worth his time.

Yeah, you might get a letter written containing threats of litigation and such for a couple of hundred bucks, but once a response comes back that makes it plain that the issue will only be able to be settled in court, well, you had better be checking to see just how deep your own pockets are.

Well, if it were me it would be well worth a $100,000 judgment. But, you'll never be awarded that much. Can you even imagine that happening to you? My car would have been on the trailer and out of there a long time ago if all the facts are true as written.

Sure, you've had a lot of problems and your car has been there a long time but it wasn't because of Chris. I think Thunder also has his car there. If both of you come out of there with a smile then you would have to think something else is going on.

It's nice being able to post my thoughts and not having to put up with a rant. I never did tell anyone about the first PM he sent me. It was a good one. I think my butt is still sore.

 

[Shadow]

Got ya. IMO, i would have gotten the state involved but pursuing civil action is another matter. If a relative is a lawyer that may help but by the time you spend all of the money you probably still lose.

I have never been involved in something like this so it's only speculation on my part. Thanks for all of your input Shadow. Some of us appreciate it. :thumbsup:

Thanks Bob.

FWIW, the defendant in a civil case, if judgement is for the plaintiff, "may" be held liable for costs as well.

A lot depends on how the plaintiff writes up the complaint and what the judge/mediator/general master, etc., feels like doing!

 

[Bob K]

Thanks Bob.

FWIW, the defendant in a civil case, if judgement is for the plaintiff, "may" be held liable for costs as well.

A lot depends on how the plaintiff writes up the complaint and what the judge/mediator/general master, etc., feels like doing!

I know that to be fact. I considered filing against someone and my lawyer said it would be up to the judge to determine if I would be reimbursed for my costs. I said screw it and dropped it. It would have been in Federal court and just his retainer was $15,000. I'm sure it would have cost me double that amount. My intention was to cost him money, not me. :rofl1:

 

[Shadow]

...My intention was to cost him money, not me. :rofl1:

...that's usually the case....

 

[Rich Z]

Yeah, that is usually the case. Most people huffing and puffing about filing lawsuits really don't have a clue about what their out of pocket expenses would be to do that. Not to mention that if they lose, there is always a possibility of a countersuit being filed by the OP to try to collect damages that could put THEM through the wringer.

 

[floridaZ]

I'll see what I can do about the cookies:thumbsup:

YES!:dancer01:

 

[CHASZ51]

Done!:thumbsup:





Well, okay. I don't have the power, but you need not worry, someone who does will surely be along soon. I like this forum, and if it was a retirement home then we would have cookies.:shrug01:

I wish this never ending story would just end.

 

[Bob K]

I wish this never ending story would just end.

I think fatbum ended it. Or, maybe I should say he gave Rich 'just cause'.

 

[CHASZ51]

I think fatbum ended it. Or, maybe I should say he gave Rich 'just cause'.

Good! Lets move on in life. I wonder if half the story was even true?