• Got the Contributing Memberships stuff finally worked out and made up a thread as a sort of "How-To" to help people figure out how to participate. So if you need help figuring it out, here's the thread you need to take a look at -> http://www.corvetteflorida.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3581 Thank you, everyone! Rich Z.

Oil spill - the end of fresh Florida seafood?

Check out figure four (4) on this page -> http://www.clas.ufl.edu/users/rrusso/florida_eq.html

Obviously that oil field was under tremendous pressure when that oil rig tapped into it. My guess is either they CAN'T contain that much pressure to cap off the well. Or the entire area is no so unstable that leaks are coming up everywhere and they are afraid of what might happen if they put the cork back in and the pressure spikes.

Evidently there was a 6.0 earthquake in the Gulf back in September of 2006. Anyone think setting off a nuke (yes, I have seen suggestions to do just that!) in that compressed and stressed strata is going to be a real good idea? :eek: Why didn't the engineers know about the stress that area is under after Katrina dumped all the sediment into the Gulf? It probably was like drilling a hole into a soda can after you shook it up for several minutes.
 
I think the Hurricanes ,wind and rains are real wild cards .willin' to bet it won't help grass grow.

There is a small disturbance off the coast of Africa that has formed :banghead:
 
Note the estimate in the text of the volume of flow possibly being as high as 100,000 barrels of oil per day

New estimates: BP oil debacle at 25,000 to 30,000 barrels per day

Government scientists on Thursday have doubled their previous estimates on the flow of oil pouring from BP’s runaway well in the Gulf of Mexico, making the newest numbers a stunning 25,000 to 30,000 barrels of oil. Per day.

New calculations on the BP oil spill dwarf the previous estimate of 12,000 to 19,000 barrels per day. The new numbers of 25,000 to 30,000 barrels per day, possibly as high as 40,000 barrels per day, more than double previous numbers and will undoubtedly lead to a showdown between BP and the US government over the amount of money BP will be asked to pay for cleaning up the environmental disaster as well as the amount levied against the environmental polluter in the the way of fines.

The new estimate will also increase, or confirm, suspicions many Americans feel over BP’s early estimates of 5,000 barrels per day, and reports suggest the new numbers will increase political pressure on BP, pressure that has begun to intensify in recent days.

The Flow Rate Technical Group (FRTG), a team of experts from universities and government science agencies, had based their previous estimates on information provided by BP, information that proved to be inadequate for an accurate appraisal, according to a report in McClatchy earlier this week.

FRTG, under the direction of National Incident Commander Admiral Thad Allen, and the leadership of Dr. Marcia McNutt, director of the US Geological Survey, along with a scientific team led by Energy Secretary Steven Chu, have analyzed new data and combined it with several scientific methodologies to arrive at the new estimate.

“Developing accurate and scientifically grounded oil flow rate information is vital, both in regards to the continued response and recovery, as well as the important role this information may play in the final investigation of the failure of the blowout preventer and the resulting spill,” said Admiral Allen.

According to Allen, more than one million gallons of dispersant have been used on the oil disaster. “We’re starting to limit the dispersants on the surface to where we need it for safety reasons—for putting down volatile organic compounds or when we have a spill of such magnitude where dispersants have a direct affect in trying to limit our dispersant application to the subsea injections and over 4 million gallons have been recovered either through the riser insertion tube or our containment cap so far,” Allen said in his Friday morning press briefing.

While Allen references the increased flow rate of oil after the riser was cut as “whatever increase there might have been after the cut in the riser pipe,” a scientist on the FRTG suggests the unimpeded flow of oil after the June 3 cutting of the pipe could be 100,000 barrels per day.

Ira Leifer, associate researcher at the Marine Science Institute of the University of California, said that the rate of flow from the blown out well has been increasing over time, most notably since BP’s failed “top kill” effort last month. His research is based, in part, on satellite data and he notes the flow rate was actually increasing before the riser pipe was cut.

"The situation is growing worse," Leifer said.

Leifer also suggests the increase in flow since the severing of the riser pipe last week is far greater than the 20 percent estimate that BP and the Obama administration had predicted before the pipe cutting. Another number is being prepared by the FRTG that will cover the period after the pipe cutting, according to the New York Times.

Dr. McNutt, on Thursday, announced that three of the scientific teams had reached their new assessment based on detailed analysis of flow rates from the Deepwater Horizon well before June 3, the day the riser was cut.

“Each of the methodologies that the scientific teams is using has its advantages and shortcomings, which is why it is so important that we take several scientific approaches to solving this problem, that the teams continue working to refine their analyses and assessments, and that those many data points inform the updated best estimate that we are developing, ” said Dr. McNutt, in the official announcement by the Deepwater Horizon Incident Joint Information Center.

Referencing the upcoming meeting next week between President Obama and BP officials, Allen said “it was time to sit down and talk.”

In an attempt to allay fears over BP’s ability to pay dividends to stockholders, BP spokesman Andrew Gowers said: “We intend to meet all our obligations to all our stakeholders. We are a very financially strong company.”

Regardless, Credit Suisse has estimated the cleanup costs at $15 billion to $23 billion, with an additional $14 billion in claims.

As the crude oil continues its trek through the Gulf’s waters, Florida is bracing itself for the inevitable impact upon its tourism industry. The state, along with Escambia County officials, have announced the closing of Pensacola Pass to any vessel traffic during flood tide. Pensacola Pass will reopen during the ebb tide cycle and this plan will remain in effect until further notice.
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Referencing the upcoming meeting next week between President Obama and BP officials, Allen said “it was time to sit down and talk.”
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Bullcrap! The time for talk is long passed. Now is the time to damn well DO something!
 
Now this is REALLY interesting and food for thought...

Air space over oil disaster restricted, media access limited

BP’s latest efforts at containing the oil spill were given a huge assist this week by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), by way of temporary flight restrictions over much of the Deepwater Horizon well’s impacted area.

A new Notice to Airmen (NOTAM) issued late Wednesday night restricts air flights over BP’s Gulf of Mexico catastrophe and ultimately limits the media’s ability to provide current photography and video of much of the affected area. A map on the FAA website shows the controlled air space stretches from Louisiana to Florida and off-shore below the well site.

In part, the NOTAM states: “All aircraft operations are prohibited except those flights authorized by ATC, routine flights supporting offshore oil operations; federal, state, local and military flight operations supporting oil spill recovery and reconstitution efforts; and air medical and law enforcement operations.”

It goes on to state that numerous low level operations associated with the blown-out well have forced the restricted air space below 3,000 feet. These low level operations include aircraft making “sudden changes in direction, speed, and altitude.”

This latest move by a federal agency gives a clear indication of who is actually in charge of the US government. Blocking media access to much of the area where the oil debacle is most visible helps validate earlier reports by the media about restricted travel over and into the contaminated zone.

The NOTAM, issued on June 9 by the FAA, is a direct contradiction to President Obama’s insistence that BP provide more transparency, as noted in a letter from Obama’s point man, Coast Guard Admiral Thad Allen, to BP CEO Tony Hayward.

The FAA notice also impacts documentary efforts of the worst man-made environmental disaster in the country’s history and will help BP in its containment efforts at public opinion, seeing how its containment efforts with the blown-out well have been futile thus far.

The New York Times reports journalists are repeatedly being denied access to public areas impacted by the environmental polluter’s unimpeded assault on the food chain. Those denying access to the media include not only BP, but local law enforcement, government officials and the US Coast Guard.

Michael Oreskes, a senior managing editor with the Associated Press, compares the Gulf situation with the embedding of reporters and military operations in Afghanistan.

“There is a continued effort to keep control over the access,” Mr. Oreskes said. “And even in places where the government is cooperating with us to provide access, it’s still a problem because it’s still access obtained through the government.”

In the NOTAM, the FAA identifies the nature of the oil catastrophe as being “dynamic” and for that reason all approved flights are subject to last-minute changes or cancellations.
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Whoops ,a little miscalculation .we're now up to 200.000 gallons a day coming up the shaft .Some of this is being collected as we know .I also realize that it is difficult to calculate but didn't we start off in the 40,000 gallon range .
 
vett boy said:
Whoops ,a little miscalculation .we're now up to 200.000 gallons a day coming up the shaft .Some of this is being collected as we know .I also realize that it is difficult to calculate but didn't we start off in the 40,000 gallon range .
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Actually, I have heard estimates as high as 4 million gallons per day, one people were able to view high resolution video that BP was withholding from the public.

BP is not being on the up and up about this at all.
 
Watching CNN this am and it appears that SOME of the British people are getting irritated .They think the US is whining and being to hard on BP .(again some Brits)
 
Solutions

I have been researching with my engineering company ways to stop the oil spillage on a temporary basis until a solution is found. I found this interesting solution designed by a High School Science/Engineering class that has some merit. They submitted it to "BP" and received no response or even a thank you letter..........So soon people in lieu of "Surf and Turf" in your local restaurant...we will have "Oil and Soil".....

I applaud our young minds today in looking for a solution!!!

:mad: Jim :mad:
 

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:thumbsup:Can't really tell much from the drawing, but hey, at least someone is working on some solutions.:thumbsup:

Look at the 2 good ole' boys that came up with the hay and alfalfa idea?

You think these idiots in Washington, or tha arrogant BP execs gave it a 2nd look?
Do you see any hay floating around the gulf?:nonod:

Really pisses me off that everyone has drug thier feet from day one.:thumbsdown:

This may not have been preventable. It WAS managable in the beginning...if they'd:

A) Actually had a plan
2) Actually implemented thier plan immediately
3) Not sat around on thier high and mighty asses for so long denying the depth and severity of the matter!!!:mad:

I'd like to take some (most) of these SOB's on a one way diving trip to the gulf!:reddevil:
 
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I'd like to take some (most) of these SOB's on a one way diving trip to the gulf!:reddevil:
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I think a one way ticket into the courtroom will be a better way to let them know that we are not happy about their actions. As a citizen of Florida who moved to this state with the intentions of having the Gulf of Mexico at my disposal during my retirement, I have a legitimate claim against them for damages. This applies to a boatload of people as well. ANYONE who planned on having the Gulf of Mexico figure into a portion of their quality of life will have a claim against BP.

Personally, I will not buy anything from BP any longer. Between them being boycotted and tons of legal claims against them, they are unlikely to survive this incident as a business entity. When the enormity of this finally sinks in, it may not even be safe PHYSICALLY to be known as an employee of that company.

Quite likely the decision makers in that company will become fugitives from USA justice and there will be a major political riff between the USA and Britain if they shield those fugitives from extradition....
 
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I think a one way ticket into the courtroom will be a better way to let them know that we are not happy about their actions. As a citizen of Florida who moved to this state with the intentions of having the Gulf of Mexico at my disposal during my retirement, I have a legitimate claim against them for damages. This applies to a boatload of people as well. ANYONE who planned on having the Gulf of Mexico figure into a portion of their quality of life will have a claim against BP.

Personally, I will not buy anything from BP any longer. Between them being boycotted and tons of legal claims against them, they are unlikely to survive this incident as a business entity. When the enormity of this finally sinks in, it may not even be safe PHYSICALLY to be known as an employee of that company.

Quite likely the decision makers in that company will become fugitives from USA justice and there will be a major political riff between the USA and Britain if they shield those fugitives from extradition....
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I'm a native here.

My plans for retirement were to do airboat and fixed hull charters (tours, etc), and retire on the water somewhere.
I will likely still do it, but I doubt the business will be a lucrative:( At least it'll be a great tax write off for the 1st 5 years:rolleyes:

With that said, we have squat for claims. We don't presently earn a living from the gulf and don't depend on it for our existence as the fishermen and restaurants along the gulf do.
Even if we did, the possibility of ever seeing a dime of whatever you could possibly imagine, is slim to none.

Taking out our frustrations on the small, non-corporate, BP owners is ludicrous, will likely have little impact on the corporation, and will only serve to put another small business person out of business:( That doesn't help us as a country one bit.

Instead, I'll still purchase dry goods from them, and fuel if it's cheap enough. If there's $.01 difference in them and thier competitior, then it's the competitor;)

If it's a corporate store, all bets are off!

I don't want to see vigilantism taking it's toll on the employees....they're like the rest of us. Just trying to eek out a living.

Now....the corporate thieves....that's another story....I still thing the diving trip is a much better idea.....lot of bad chit can happen on and under the water.

The sea's an unfogiving MOFO;):D:reddevil:
 
Shadow said:
I'm a native here.

My plans for retirement were to do airboat and fixed hull charters (tours, etc), and retire on the water somewhere.
I will likely still do it, but I doubt the business will be a lucrative:( At least it'll be a great tax write off for the 1st 5 years:rolleyes:

With that said, we have squat for claims. We don't presently earn a living from the gulf and don't depend on it for our existence as the fishermen and restaurants along the gulf do.
Even if we did, the possibility of ever seeing a dime of whatever you could possibly imagine, is slim to none.

Taking out our frustrations on the small, non-corporate, BP owners is ludicrous, will likely have little impact on the corporation, and will only serve to put another small business person out of business:( That doesn't help us as a country one bit.

Instead, I'll still purchase dry goods from them, and fuel if it's cheap enough. If there's $.01 difference in them and thier competitior, then it's the competitor;)

If it's a corporate store, all bets are off!

I don't want to see vigilantism taking it's toll on the employees....they're like the rest of us. Just trying to eek out a living.

Now....the corporate thieves....that's another story....I still thing the diving trip is a much better idea.....lot of bad chit can happen on and under the water.

The sea's an unfogiving MOFO;):D:reddevil:
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Well said Gordon,and I agree with you 100%!! I don't want to see BP go under because if they do,"We the People" are "ALL Phucked"! We'll end up paying for the biggest part of it in more ways than 1!! Besides,BP is the only Oil Co around me that don't have methanol in the gas,Chevron and Texaco pulled out of WNC 2 weeks ago!!:thumbsup:
Boycotting BP will hurt way more people than the BP Corporation and it's Upper Management!!:eek::eek::eek:

It'd be like hacking your nose off just to spite your face!:thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
You know, I did some looking around at pictures of oil spills in the past, and without any exceptions (at least any that I stumbled on) the oil was a deep dark black mess. So why is this oil coming out of the Gulf oil volcano RED colored?
 

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I thought it was red because of the reaction with the dispersant's used .I'm probably wrong.It is black when it washes up as tar balls.

Rich have you been to the beach areas where the oil has washed up ? I'm curious about oder starting to drift inland .
 
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