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[jakesindy]

Autoway Chevy in tampa is closeing on Friday 11-14-08:nonod:

 

[JIM KILL]

Scary

Autoway Chevy in tampa is closeing on Friday 11-14-08:nonod:

My office is on Florida Ave. in Tampa.
Take a ride down Florida Ave. between Waters and Bearss. We have been used car alley for years on this street. Half of the dealerships are closed or near closing.
This S..T!!.....is SCARY!!!

NOW THIS NEWS TODAY!!!
General Motors has once again approached the federal government with its hand out. It should not be forgotten that in September of 2008, Congress gave the "big three" automakers a loan totaling $25 billion. Now they are back. This time they say that with a mere $50 billion they can turn things around and become profitable in the future. The management of GM and Ford as well as the UAW have been meeting with Nancy Pelosi to arrange a deal. GM claims that if the government does not give them the money they demand it will spell doom for the company and thus the entire US economy.


:hehehe: Jim :hehehe:

 

[Shadow]

Yep,

Uncontrolled spending, poor planning,, exagerated costs (greed), low employment numbers and Union "negotiations" are running the auto industry into the ground.:thumbsdown:

Hopefully things will turn around in the next year or 2. Well, either they will or we'll be looking for a new president in 4!

 

[Rich Z]

Well if the government has to bail out everyone, just where exactly are they getting that money from? They spend it now faster then they can "earn" it as it is, so it's not like they have a savings account they can draw from.

Well, it would be one thing if the government was using it's own money for these bailouts, but they are not. They are using the money from US, the taxpayers. And we're hurting on taxes enough as it is, thank you very much. And if anyone has any doubts about that meaning substantial tax increases, they better be thinking harder about what this all really means.

So with more people losing their jobs and not having an income to pay taxes on, what exactly is this going to mean?

If the USA is not already bankrupt with all the accumulated deficit spending, how long do you figure it is going to take before that actually happens? Their ONLY source of income is taxes. Unless they crank up the printing presses and just MAKE more money. Which, of course, then makes all the money the prudent citizens have saved for a rainy day, worth MUCH MUCH less.

 

[als2052]

The ironic thing is that while the Big 3 continue to beg for more $$, they have yet to show how they are going to use the money. Will be interesting to see the bonuses they give themselves at years end...

 

[Z06 Rocket]

Yep,

Uncontrolled spending, poor planning,, exagerated costs (greed), low employment numbers and Union "negotiations" are running the auto industry into the ground.:thumbsdown:

Hopefully things will turn around in the next year or 2. Well, either they will or we'll be looking for a new president in 4!

Naahhh... They will still blame it on Bush. They will say the residual is stronger than Obama believed and it will take another term for him to finish straightening out the Bush mess. It doesn't matter that the "Bush mess" is really directly related to Clinton laws and policies that finally burst while Bush was in office.

 

[Rich Z]

Naahhh... They will still blame it on Bush. They will say the residual is stronger than Obama believed and it will take another term for him to finish straightening out the Bush mess. It doesn't matter that the "Bush mess" is really directly related to Clinton laws and policies that finally burst while Bush was in office.

Oh, in other words, he's not done CHANGING the county yet......

Which, of course, will be OUR fault.

 

[floridaZ]

Well, it would be one thing if the government was using it's own money for these bailouts, but they are not. They are using the money from US, the taxpayers. And we're hurting on taxes enough as it is, thank you very much. And if anyone has any doubts about that meaning substantial tax increases, they better be thinking harder about what this all really means.

Wrong there, friend. That was spent long ago. We're spending China's money. :thumbsdown:

I say let the big 3 fail. Toyota will still be there to build cars. Stuff like that probably isn't a good thing for my popularity, but business is business and bad business needs to fail.

Bailouts are like immortality. They seem like a good thing until you wake up and realize that everyone is getting it. By the time you realize that, nobody has been dieing but the birth rate is unchanged. You are left with an immense population that outgrew it's food supply. So instead of a natural, if not always constant, population; you now have a situation ripe for die back which will leave you with a much smaller population. And while dieing is something nobody looks forward to, most people look forward to starving to death with a bit more disdain.

And of course, those with the immortality can't die, so their children (the next generation, the taxpayers, any "regular" person, you and me) are the ones that suffer starvation and death, due to the fear and greed of fools who fear the natural course of life.

But hey, I'm just a simple taxpayer, a tool for whatever politician may have use of me. What do I know...

 

[Rich Z]

Wrong there, friend. That was spent long ago. We're spending China's money. :thumbsdown:

Yeah, but what happens when China calls in their marks? We already gave them the Panama Canal, so what will be next? Do you think if there were illegal Chinese imigration issues we would even hear about it?

I say let the big 3 fail. Toyota will still be there to build cars. Stuff like that probably isn't a good thing for my popularity, but business is business and bad business needs to fail.

I agree. When corporations are making money hand over fist, I don't see them falling all over themselves to spread the wealth back in this direction. The way we are heading is DEFINITELY communism with all business being owned and run by the state. If the communism of the past was so bad, why is it all of a sudden "good" for us now?

But hey, I'm just a simple taxpayer, a tool for whatever politician may have use of me. What do I know...

Hey now! Can't be having the tax cattle complaining and stirring up trouble! You just might find yourself on the menu at McDonald's..... :hehehe:

 

[Shadow]

Wrong there, friend. That was spent long ago. We're spending China's money. :thumbsdown:

I say let the big 3 fail. Toyota will still be there to build cars. Stuff like that probably isn't a good thing for my popularity, but business is business and bad business needs to fail.

Bailouts are like immortality. They seem like a good thing until you wake up and realize that everyone is getting it. By the time you realize that, nobody has been dieing but the birth rate is unchanged. You are left with an immense population that outgrew it's food supply. So instead of a natural, if not always constant, population; you now have a situation ripe for die back which will leave you with a much smaller population. And while dieing is something nobody looks forward to, most people look forward to starving to death with a bit more disdain.

And of course, those with the immortality can't die, so their children (the next generation, the taxpayers, any "regular" person, you and me) are the ones that suffer starvation and death, due to the fear and greed of fools who fear the natural course of life.

But hey, I'm just a simple taxpayer, a tool for whatever politician may have use of me. What do I know...

Well said, and...:iagree:

 

[floridaZ]

I agree. When corporations are making money hand over fist, I don't see them falling all over themselves to spread the wealth back in this direction. The way we are heading is DEFINITELY communism with all business being owned and run by the state. If the communism of the past was so bad, why is it all of a sudden "good" for us now?

A bad economy is always a catalyst for such things. Communism is a good idea in theory, but it just doesn't work in the real world. In hard times, people survive on hope. And what is hope if not the ability to overlook inconvenient details, like how communism never has and probably never will work, or how communism runs the country into the ground before it fails?

We live in America and are blessed as such. But people don't realize that America is, after all, just another country. The greatest and most powerful in the world? Sure. But people everywhere are the same regardless of race, religion, or nationality. So if other countries are in ruin because of communism, the US can end up that way too. But people just don't seem to realize this and so they think that they can edge towards communism and stop whenever they want because we are America, land of the free.

To my eyes, once a country moves toward socialism or communism, they don't seem able to stop it. I do hope that I'm wrong there, though.

 

[Shadow]

Seems like every month we're seeing more and more restrictions of our constitutional rights, freedopms of expression and the ability to move about freely and unincumbered, and more proposals infringing on the basic unlerlying principles the country was founded on.

More warrantless evesdropping, guessing instead of investigating, intrusions into our personal lives and when and where we visit.

Of course, the majority of this has come under the guise of one of the most usless beurocracies this country has ever know...HOMELAND SECURITY!:thumbsdown:

Those who are willing to forego freedoms for a littel security, deserve neither!

Lets hope something turns this country around....but I'm not looking for it any time soon.....

 

[floridaZ]

What pisses me off is that my tax money goes towards stuff that I have no say on. Who the **** needs a tea pot museum? :ack2: And the same people who put such a ridiculous earmark in a bill pretend to know what is best for everyone.

It confuses the hell out of me. I'd rather live in anarchy where I have to support myself 100% for everything and be able to do whatever the hell I want; than in a country where I am not able to make my own decisions and live the way I want, but need not worry about ever being in need. Progress requires someone to "stay hungry", otherwise there is no motivation.

As much as I have ranted today, I know that we really have no control over anything. The gov't will continue to make new laws because otherwise we really don't need them. I just hope for the best, and try to make the best out of whatever situation I happen to be thrust into. :thumbsup:

 

[Rich Z]

Seems like every month we're seeing more and more restrictions of our constitutional rights, freedopms of expression and the ability to move about freely and unincumbered, and more proposals infringing on the basic unlerlying principles the country was founded on.

More warrantless evesdropping, guessing instead of investigating, intrusions into our personal lives and when and where we visit.

Of course, the majority of this has come under the guise of one of the most usless beurocracies this country has ever know...HOMELAND SECURITY!:thumbsdown:

Those who are willing to forego freedoms for a littel security, deserve neither!

Lets hope something turns this country around....but I'm not looking for it any time soon.....

Actually the BEST homeland security was already built into the Constitution via the Second Amendment. It would be IMPOSSIBLE for a foreign power to conquer the USA if all able bodied Americans were armed. No other country could possibly overtake a country with an informal army number in the hundreds of MILLIONS. Yeah, they could KILL us all via weapons of mass destruction, but they could not enslave us.

That is why to anti gun movement is so damned dangerous to this country. Once we are disarmed, a foreign power only has to conquer the heads of state that controls the military and police powers. That would be MUCH MUCH easier to do then conquering an armed populace.

Of course, a pretty lively argument could probably be held that the government has ALREADY been conquered. And WE are fighting for our freedom with THEM as a result..... :shrug01:

 

[329of1k]

Quite frankly it would be boring to watch Toyotas go round and round at NASCAR:banghead:, up and down the strip at NHRA :banghead:and turn after turn in ALMS races:banghead:.
If it's bye-bye big 3 then it's bye-bye BIG American horsepower.
No more Corvettes, no more factory Corvette Racing:thumbsdown:.
Not sure that anyone here is ready for that...unless of course yo think that we've seen all GM has to offer us in the way of Vettes:shrug01:.
Just something to ponder...not an argument.
Do I think big business should be held responsible for their screw ups:reddevil:?? Absolutely!!
Do I think the government will bail them out?? Absolutely!!
Is this gonna get fixed in 4 years?? Absolutely NOT!!
I do enjoy reading everyone's comments.:yesnod:

 

[Rich Z]

Actually I believe that government has CAUSED much of the problems we are having. There are SO many regulations and taxes heaped onto all businesses these days that it's virtually a miracle than any of them can survive at all.