• Got the Contributing Memberships stuff finally worked out and made up a thread as a sort of "How-To" to help people figure out how to participate. So if you need help figuring it out, here's the thread you need to take a look at -> http://www.corvetteflorida.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3581 Thank you, everyone! Rich Z.

Tuning basics

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Ok, this will open things up for discussion and many questions. As far as your basic tuning with a predator, LS1 edit, HP tuners, etc. Big things to watch are going to be Fuel trims and timing. Datalogging is going to be the key here. This is where you will see the effects of your changes. You will look at LTFT's (long term fuel trims) looking for -4 area after about 50 miles of driving. Be careful with getting too aggressive with timing tables. Watch the logs for knock retard and adjust those areas accordingly. Most people will not have the one most vital tuning instrument, a wideband o2. This tool is instrumental in tuning for WOT. Many cars that we have seen are actually too lean in power enrichment as delivered from the factory. So, the best suggestion is get the car on the rollers or buy a wideband kit. Lean conditions are the greatest enemy to DIY tuning that I have seen. I am now ready for the questions.
 
Actually I would like to know more about what a wideband O2 sensor actually does. And is it really only an effective tool for WOT tuning?

What about some tools I have seen that are basically sensors that you can attach at a tail pipe to get a reading? I assume the wideband O2 sensor replaces your regular O2 sensor, so is this an easy swap or what else needs to be done to accommodate it? Some guy I talked to a while back when I was getting my headers said he was getting some "bungs" (?) welded on, so I assume you can't just swap out your regular O2 sensor for a wideband.

So clue me in, please. This is one of those basic concepts that I just haven't been able to find much on.

Thanks.
 
Will you guys offer the option of, for the lack of a better term.. "real world tuning" (driving the car with the laptop hooked up) or just strictly dyno tuning and also do you guys have any plans for a dyno tuning day in the near future as I can tell by reading alot of these threads many of these people have never had their car dynoed or tuned. Some people here would probably be surprised what a difference tuning makes on a "stock" vehicle.
 
Rich Z said:
Actually I would like to know more about what a wideband O2 sensor actually does. And is it really only an effective tool for WOT tuning?

What about some tools I have seen that are basically sensors that you can attach at a tail pipe to get a reading? I assume the wideband O2 sensor replaces your regular O2 sensor, so is this an easy swap or what else needs to be done to accommodate it? Some guy I talked to a while back when I was getting my headers said he was getting some "bungs" (?) welded on, so I assume you can't just swap out your regular O2 sensor for a wideband.

So clue me in, please. This is one of those basic concepts that I just haven't been able to find much on.

Thanks.
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you can attach it to the tailpipe, dynos do that because it convenient.
but you'll get a more accurate reading if its closer to the head, most recommend about 32" away from the head.
you can weld another bung in the exhaust system. Personally in my other car, I just replaced the rear O2 sensor and use that bung for my wideband O2 sensor, send the wideband signal to the rear O2 imput on the pcm, so I can log wideband 02s instead rear 02 voltage. :thumbsup:
 
pewter99 said:
Will you guys offer the option of, for the lack of a better term.. "real world tuning" (driving the car with the laptop hooked up) or just strictly dyno tuning and also do you guys have any plans for a dyno tuning day in the near future as I can tell by reading alot of these threads many of these people have never had their car dynoed or tuned. Some people here would probably be surprised what a difference tuning makes on a "stock" vehicle.
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All of our tuning here is done in 2 stages. First is the driveability tune. This is done for idle, part throttle, etc. in real world driving conditions. Second is the power tune done on the dyno. We have dyno days from time to time. I can set one up on request. I like to do these on Sundays. The most cars that we have done on one of these is 20 cars across the rollers in a day. Yes you are correct in how much tuning will effect a stock car. Not only peak hp/tq numbers, but part throttle snap and under peak gains.
 
As far as a wideband o2, it tells you the absolute air fuel ratio in a real number i.e. 12.8,13.2, etc. If tuning with laptop software it becomes much easier to use an existing rear o2 bung, as you can simply turn off the rears. A good wideband system is an LM1 or LM2. Affordable and easy to operate. We have an LM2 for the shop portable unit. Primarily used for tuning open loop cars and speed density conversions. Otherwise, we simply use the dyno unit for pulls. Our personal cars have Dynojet wideband commanders mounted permanently inside. I always want to know my A/F ratio.
 
Sounds awesome ,i have a handheld programer and i heard that you only get so much out of one of them :shrug01: .So sign me up for the dyno tuning went you are ready:thumbsup: BTW where is your location?
 
9T8Vette said:
Sounds awesome ,i have a handheld programer and i heard that you only get so much out of one of them :shrug01: .So sign me up for the dyno tuning went you are ready:thumbsup: BTW where is your location?
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We are in the Tampa area. You can always schedule an individual dyno tune, or you can wait for the next dyno day
 
Greg,

Why don't you put a thread in this forum and "sticky" it at the top telling us all about your shop and giving directions and contact info? Got any pics of the shop you could share with us?
 
The dyno days are great but what you guys need to realize is Greg needs a firm commitment and by that I mean not a "yeah I am in" and then no show...I have set up a few of these and interest is always great initially but it seems to wane as the day gets closer...I personally said that next time I would collect $$$ up front next time so the shop gets paid even if you flake...I think thats fair.
This post is no reflection on anyone here...this is just a general statement
 
:D I have ? for Greg. I haven't had my recall done yet on the service column lock .And i was wanting to install headers .Should i wait until those things are done first? before i get a Tune done:thumbsup:
 
9T8Vette said:
:D I have ? for Greg. I haven't had my recall done yet on the service column lock .And i was wanting to install headers .Should i wait until those things are done first? before i get a Tune done:thumbsup:
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Install your headers before you get the tune.

Greg put in my column lock bypass (CLB).
 
Yeah, I think the idea would be to get all performance enhancements done before you do a tune. Otherwise if you change something performance wise on the engine, then some of the parameters the tuner used may be different after you change something after the tune. So you may have to get yet another tune to accommodate every change you do. So obviously you need to plan ahead so you don't waste your money having to do multiple tunes.

Which is why some people buy their own tuning software. So they can do that themselves. But beware, from what I have seen it's a pretty steep learning curve and definitely some butt biters lurking in that endeavor.
 
You will surely feel SOTP difference after a tune. As Greg said, that quick blip feel, is the sure sign of the extra torque.

Jack
 
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