• Got the Contributing Memberships stuff finally worked out and made up a thread as a sort of "How-To" to help people figure out how to participate. So if you need help figuring it out, here's the thread you need to take a look at -> http://www.corvetteflorida.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3581 Thank you, everyone! Rich Z.

427 engine (part 2) - RHS block

Hey that gives me an idea. Why don't you go have a couple of bottles of water blessed by a Minister. Dump one in the coolant tank, and one in the washer fluid. While you are at it, ask if he'll bless your oil for before the next oil change....
 
I wonder if a priest would bless a pound of C4 for me?

Just talked to Aaron and found out that Jim Smith can't come up this week. So still in limbo till next week. :ahh:
 
miami993c297 said:
Hey Rich,

How's your C6 doing???

Christian
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It's doing well. Thanks for asking. It's actually a VERY impressive ride right out of the box. The LS7 has LOADS of low end torque that gives you an incredible seat of the pants feel with no effort on the GO pedal.

Got it on the lift right now. Changed the oil and cleaning the underside. It's MUCH easier getting into the wheel wells when the car is on a lift. Is it a sign of insanity to clean the sway bars? :lmao:

I REALLY wish I had bought the C6Z like I had originally wanted to do and never even thought about the 427 swap into the C5Z. But at least when it is done, the C5Z should be like an brand new car. Not much left that hasn't been replaced and/or upgraded.
 
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Well, I KNEW there would be something else....

Stopped by Aaron's today and he said it appears they are having a VATS problem, as the engine just will not turn over.

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Jim is out there with Aaron, so they are working on it.

So they need to get past this problem to even GET to the original problem with the 1514 code that took place before my PCM died and Jim's tuning computer started having problems...... Oh yeah, there was a lightning strike on Aaron's shop somewhere in the middle of all this as well.

Well, we're into June already and no end in sight. :shrug01:
 
Just got off the phone from talking with Aaron. He says the throttle body is bad and is causing the 1514 error code. He swapped it with a stock C6 tb using a wiring harness adaptor and the error code goes away then.

This sh!t is really pissing me off now.......
 
Yeah, but replacing stuff that was already purchased during this build is not what I had in mind. I've contacted the guy the throttle body came from to see what he can do for me. But of course, this screws up any plans of getting this SOB done in the near term. :banghead:

I think I need to learn a few new languages that have more appealing curse words.
 
Yeah, that just blows.

The French have some pretty good cuss words. Of course I've forgotten them or I'd help you out.

You know, I'll be honest. I'll really be amazed if you keep this car more than a month or two when it's finally home in your garage.
 
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shakedown067 said:
Yeah, that just blows.

The French have some pretty good cuss words. Of course I've forgotten them or I'd help you out.

You know, I'll be honest. I'll really be amazed if you keep this car more than a month or two when it's finally home in your garage.
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Yeah, quite honestly if someone made me a half decent offer for the car right now I'd be done with it. Way too many straws on this camel's back.....

With all the goodies in it, it would make one hell of a base race car for someone.
 
The throttle body is fine......we taught Chris how to tune for it before w/out much issue. This tuner just hasn't the ability to tune for a large bore TB/ Greg at Antivenom can do it in a snap.
 
RevXtreme 1 said:
The throttle body is fine......we taught Chris how to tune for it before w/out much issue. This tuner just hasn't the ability to tune for a large bore TB/ Greg at Antivenom can do it in a snap.
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Oh yeah, I really want to hear something like THAT right now. :rolleyes:
 
Tracy, what size is that throttle body? Is there an issue with it being on a 102mm FAST intake?
 
RevXtreme 1 said:
The throttle body is fine......we taught Chris how to tune for it before w/out much issue. This tuner just hasn't the ability to tune for a large bore TB/ Greg at Antivenom can do it in a snap.
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Actually, from what I recall Chris could not get that 102mm throttle body to work at all, and had to fall back to the smaller one now on my car instead. So I'm not sure how much Harwood was actually taught to get that smaller TB to work. It worked right away when he replaced that 102mm tb with the smaller one with his initial start up tune.

But let me get this straight. You were willing and able to teach Chris and Greg how to tune for the bigger throttle body, yet you claim Aaron and Jim Smith do not have that ability and expertise, and thereby imply that you are not willing to help them (and me) now with this problem. You claim there is nothing wrong with that throttle body I got from you, which directly contradicts what they are claiming.

There is an obviously easy way to prove them wrong and you right, you know.

If you send me a replacement TB and that doesn't fix the problem, then it obviously HAS to be something else causing the problem. But if it DOES fix the problem, then it is just as obvious that the TB in my car that came from you HAS actually gone bad. You know darn right well that I have NOT had this car in my possession nor on the street ever since Harwood got that throttle body from you, so are you telling me that you are not going to stand behind that product you sold?

This wasn't even the 102mm that I wanted for my car, but instead a smaller used TB that you sent to Harwood while the REAL one was being made. Or I think more accurately, while you were waiting for Harwood to come up with the funds to actually place an order for that TB. I have no idea what really happened in that deal, as Harwood wound up buying the 102mm from that guy who "took over" RevXtreme from you. From the price I was quoted he paid a pretty penny for that TB, yet I had to settle for this smaller used item when neither Harwood nor Aaron/Jim Smith could get that 102mm to work properly.

I personally don't care what the problem is, I just want it fixed and get my car done. You are saying it is the expertise of the tuners that is the problem. They are saying it is the merchandise you provided for my car. They are offering as proof that they can put another, although smaller, throttle body on the car and the 1514 error code goes away. Unfortunately, I don't see you offering any evidence to the contrary, so what am I left with to believe?

So I am asking you to help me to settle this issue in the only way I see that it CAN be settled. Please send me a replacement throttle body to settle this. I can give you a credit card number, if you would like, to insure that I will send you back either the original if it fixes the problem, or the replacement if it does not. I think you know I will stand behind my word. I would suggest that you send the TB to me directly and I will hand carry it to Aaron's shop and be present when it is installed in my car and video the entire process. You KNOW I will tell the truth no matter what it is.

So are you willing to settle this, Tracy? Are you willing to HELP me with this?
 
Well, I talked to Aaron today and found out something rather interesting. He measured the diameter of the throttle body on my car and it is 89.9mm. A stock C6, whether with a LS2, LS3, or LS7 has a 90mm throttle body.

So, since Aaron took the throttle body from a stock C6 Z06 and put it on my car and it got rid of the 1514 error code, then it obviously cannot be a programming problem having to do with greater air flow from a larger TB and HAS to be a throttle body failure issue. The diameter of the throttle body on my car and the stock throttle body is the same, so air flow will be the same. At least within reasonable tolerances, anyway. Certainly not enough to trigger a 1514 code.

Now I have to find out what size throttle body I was SUPPOSED to have on that car when Chris Harwood worked on it. From what I recall, Harwood didn't have the 102mm throttle body to match up with the 102mm FAST intake at the time of the engine install, and Tracy said there was a delay in getting them made. So Tracy sent Harwood a used TB to get the car going in the interim. I don't remember exactly what diameter used throttle body was sent to Harwood, but I thought it was larger than stock, and closer to the 102mm size. Something like 95mm or 97mm. But I'll check with Tracy to see if he remembers what he sent to Harwood.

Right now I'm trying to figure out what is best to do with this latest issue, and Aaron is checking into options.
 
Well, I decided to go with a stock LS7 throttle body. Getting answers to my questions about fitment and tuning was like pulling teeth from some of the vendors I contacted about the NW102mm, so while waiting for answers that gave me an opportunity to do more research. Found a guy on Ebay selling brand new LS7 throttle bodies that came in on a bunch of crate engines his shop got in. Price was $150. He was on the beam, answering all my questions even late into the night hours. Even offered to port and polish the LS7 TB for just $50. Hmm, with the wiring harness and larger coupler, plus shipping, the NW102mm was going to be costing me close to $700. Not that I'm a cheapskate, but all things considered, I didn't think the 102 would give me anything I needed right now to be worth the price difference.

Honestly, had those vendors for the 102mm been on the ball and gotten back to me in a timely fashion, I probably would have gone that route simply because I wouldn't have found that deal on the LS7 throttle body because I wouldn't have LOOKED for it. Snooze you lose, I guess.

So I've got the throttle body and an adaptor harness on the way to me. Hopefully this can all be resumed next week.
 
I talked to Aaron today and he told me he is waiting on a set of injectors to come in for a ZR1 he is working on before getting Jim Smith back up to Thomasville. Might be Wednesday.

I was tempted to polish up that throttle body, but the way my luck is running, it will be a DOA. Not that I think I could get my money back for it, though.

The guy polished and ported the inside, so I guess that is good enough.

It's off of a 2009 LS7, so it has the bronze colored throttle blade in it. I believe I heard that GM made some changes that model year to the throttle body, but don't remember what that might be. The color of the throttle blade is all that I can remember as being an indicator of the newer model.
 
Ran by Aaron's shop today since I hadn't heard from him, and dropped off the throttle body. That's when I found out that Jim Smith hasn't been feeling very well and wouldn't be coming up this week. Possibly Monday, it seems.

Oh well, tomorrow my car will have been at Aaron's shop for 9 months. All total my car has been tied up for nearly 20 months.

:banghead:
 
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