• Got the Contributing Memberships stuff finally worked out and made up a thread as a sort of "How-To" to help people figure out how to participate. So if you need help figuring it out, here's the thread you need to take a look at -> http://www.corvetteflorida.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3581 Thank you, everyone! Rich Z.

C5 427 forged motor?

Fastest response I ever had to a post. All good answers but I will repeat what I already said. I would not accept those heads and I think Xtreme should back you up on that. I would not let anyone convince me they are OK because they're not.
 
Bob K said:
Fastest response I ever had to a post. All good answers but I will repeat what I already said. I would not accept those heads and I think Xtreme should back you up on that. I would not let anyone convince me they are OK because they're not.
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I can't disagree with you, but right now my prime consideration is just getting my car back. World Products has guaranteed those holes will hold up for the life of the engine. Bryan at LME has stated that those holes are acceptable (and they are ultimately responsible for the engine), and Chris will guarantee all labor required as necessary for a year after I take my car back. My car has been in the shop for about three months now. That's quite enough.
 
Rich Z said:
I can't disagree with you, but right now my prime consideration is just getting my car back. World Products has guaranteed those holes will hold up for the life of the engine. Bryan at LME has stated that those holes are acceptable (and they are ultimately responsible for the engine), and Chris will guarantee all labor required as necessary for a year after I take my car back. My car has been in the shop for about three months now. That's quite enough.
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Rich, I fully understand your impatience. I have zero patience. Do they know you own this website? First thing I would do is send them a link. Then, when you get no response, post the email address of this guy and ask for forum member support. I think they will reconsider their response.

When you have problems later on they will blame you for it if you don't get this straightened out.
 
Bob K said:
Rich, I fully understand your impatience. I have zero patience. Do they know you own this website? First thing I would do is send them a link. Then, when you get no response, post the email address of this guy and ask for forum member support. I think they will reconsider their response.

When you have problems later on they will blame you for it if you don't get this straightened out.
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Trust me, they are well aware of the situation.
 
OK Rich, I'll get off the topic. I just really hate seeing people (anyone) get screwed. I'm racing tonight at Sunshine so I may see if Tracy has some time today to show me around the new facility. I have to kill a few hrs and I'm tired of sitting here. Talk later.
 
I made up a short video showing the Jesel rocker arm assembly and the FAST intake manifold. The raw video was taken last Tuesday when I was last out at Chris's shop.

 
Neat video Rich, and the top end looks awesome!:thumbsup:
It would be really cool to get a camera inside the valve cover to get
videos of those rocker arms dancing while the motor is running.
Andy :wavey:
 
navy2kcoupe said:
Neat video Rich, and the top end looks awesome!:thumbsup:
It would be really cool to get a camera inside the valve cover to get
videos of those rocker arms dancing while the motor is running.
Andy :wavey:
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I don't think an oil soaked video camera would show very much.... :hehehe:

Chris went out to the shop late today to try to get some work done and I met him out there. This was around 4pm. And guess what? The power was out..... :banghead: I stayed there for about an hour and a half and it still didn't come back on.

See what I mean about omens? :ack2:
 
I feel for you, you've gone thru a lot.
I bought a shortblock from Jason at Katech, Ls2 Sleeved 427, 4.125 bore, 4.0 stroke, all good quality parts, TFS 225 heads, 92mm Fast ported, small Comp cam 236/240 593 114lsa/110icl, I assembled it with all new parts, oil pan/front and rear covers/valley pan.
I removed the original Ls2 one weekend and installed the 427 the next, had it broken in 4 days, dynoed it after 1500 miles 525rwhp/571rwtq.
I redynoed after 5,000 miles and a lot of tunning and 645rwhp/632rwtq N/A
I have an A6 trans and 3600 stall converter and 342 gears.
My point, if you want something done right, Do It yourself!!
If you can't, hire the best to help you, but in the end you can not do it all yourself, you tried it !!
I have followed the thread since the begining, I would have not taken the heads, the intake bolt threads are screwed, I know they only get 90" of torque, but you bought and paid for great quality parts, you should get what you paid for!! I would have to have new heads and have them redone under warranty due to defect in quality and workmanship.
Your head castings are very poor, my TFS castings are far superior, and machining is supperb.
Good luck, and I hope it all works out.
Phil
 
pmj341 said:
I feel for you, you've gone thru a lot.
I bought a shortblock from Jason at Katech, Ls2 Sleeved 427, 4.125 bore, 4.0 stroke, all good quality parts, TFS 225 heads, 92mm Fast ported, small Comp cam 236/240 593 114lsa/110icl, I assembled it with all new parts, oil pan/front and rear covers/valley pan.
I removed the original Ls2 one weekend and installed the 427 the next, had it broken in 4 days, dynoed it after 1500 miles 525rwhp/571rwtq.
I redynoed after 5,000 miles and a lot of tunning and 645rwhp/632rwtq N/A
I have an A6 trans and 3600 stall converter and 342 gears.
My point, if you want something done right, Do It yourself!!
If you can't, hire the best to help you, but in the end you can not do it all yourself, you tried it !!
I have followed the thread since the begining, I would have not taken the heads, the intake bolt threads are screwed, I know they only get 90" of torque, but you bought and paid for great quality parts, you should get what you paid for!! I would have to have new heads and have them redone under warranty due to defect in quality and workmanship.
Your head castings are very poor, my TFS castings are far superior, and machining is supperb.
Good luck, and I hope it all works out.
Phil
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Thats great ! Now did you rebuild the entire drivetrain? Did you have to tear your TQ tube down and install a carbon fiber driveshaft? Did you completely change the fuel system in the car? Did you have to clearance all the brackets , engine mounts etc to fit your motor (highly doubtful seeing how you have an LS2 and NOT a warhawk)
Did you have to return your engine/intake because of a mistake a MAJOR manufacturer made?No because again you had a GM block.
And we had to send the the turbos off to get them rebuilt and recoated..

And on top of all this did you have 3-4 other projects you were working on that got put behind because of all the stuff going on??

It's like a domino affect one thing goes wrong it all goes wrong...

Point is I do wish Rich's car was the only car in the shop to deal with but as you are well aware of it is not...and that domino affect does indeed affect everything else in house......


This was no small job and it wasnt going to be rushed through and slapped together. Its going to be done right on my part. Rich is there everyday seeing what we are doing and whats going on.
WP I have no control over. I talked to Rich told him what I thought about the holes etc and it was his decision to give the "ok" for accepting them. If he would have said "no" not good enough then the next step would have been taken.


I dont wanna get in a pissing contest with anyone. I just weant to illustrate that this was not a drop an engine in and go job there were MANY other things that went along with it...... but anyway I figured I would throw in my .02 and what else needed to be said :thumbsup:
 
xtrememotorsports said:
Thats great ! Now did you rebuild the entire drivetrain? Did you have to tear your TQ tube down and install a carbon fiber driveshaft? Did you completely change the fuel system in the car? Did you have to clearance all the brackets , engine mounts etc to fit your motor (highly doubtful seeing how you have an LS2 and NOT a warhawk)
Did you have to return your engine/intake because of a mistake a MAJOR manufacturer made?No because again you had a GM block.

And on top of all this did you have 3-4 other projects you were working on that got put behind because of all the stuff going on??

It's like a domino affect one thing goes wrong it all goes wrong...

Point is I do wish Rich's car was the only car in the shop to deal with but as you are well aware of it is not...and that domino affect does indeed affect everything else in house......


This was no small job and it wasnt going to be rushed through and slapped together. Its going to be done right on my part. Rich is there everyday seeing what we are doing and whats going on.
WP I have no control over. I talked to Rich told him what I thought about the holes etc and it was his decision to give the "ok" for accepting them. If he would have said "no" not good enough then the next step would have been taken.


I dont wanna get in a pissing contest with anyone but figured I would throw in my .02 and what else needed to be said :thumbsup:
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Please don't think that I was badmouthing you, when I said help from a freind or hiring the best,I meant you guy's, I know how much work you guy's put into it and how much you helped and tried to resolve the issues!!
I also know you have to rely on the Vendor/manufacturer and their QC.
Phil
 
pmj341 said:
Please don't think that I was badmouthing you, when I said help from a freind
I meant you guy's, I know how much work you guy's put into it and how much you helped and tried to resolve the issues!!
I also know you have to rely on the Vendor/manufacturer and their QC.
Phil
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lol.....sorry misunderstood....
I am so glad you took into consideration all the other stuff going on...

much appreciated and again sorry for the misunderstanding been a long day/month :D
 
xtrememotorsports said:
lol.....sorry misunderstood....
I am so glad you took into consideration all the other stuff going on...

much appreciated and again sorry for the misunderstanding :D
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No problem
Btw, I'm N/A, and I still changed fuel system/converter/gears/brakes, but not at the same time.:dancer01:
I had Katech do the shortblock and I did the rest, like I stated we can't do it all, in the end we all have to rely on someone and hope for the best.
I'm glad you where there for Him and did the right thing!! Kudos!!:thumbsup:
 
xtrememotorsports said:
lol.....sorry misunderstood....
I am so glad you took into consideration all the other stuff going on...

much appreciated and again sorry for the misunderstanding been a long day/month :D
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I also hope you didn't mis-undestand my posts. I don't know you from Adam and at no time was it my intention to infer you didn't do quality work. The folks that did those heads on the other hand is a different issue.

I have seen Tracy at RevXtreme running around like a chicken with it's head cut off. In fact Sat about 3:30 he was in there yet his Sat hrs are until noon. I can only imagine what you guys go through. Nothing but respect for you on this side of the keyboard. :thumbsup:
 
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