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GM strike
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Shadow
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eh, who knows? But theres so many on the lots unsold and so many in the "previously owned" sections, that I don't think we need to worry for a year or 5 or 6:rofl1:
vettejack
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I would think a strike would have a positive affect...although I would not want to wish a strike on anyone...causes tons of hardships. :thumbsdown:
The upside? If a strike does occur and it closes down the Vette line, then what I see is a positive in that less car produced increases the value! :thumbsup:
Agree/Disagree anyone??:shrug01:
The upside? If a strike does occur and it closes down the Vette line, then what I see is a positive in that less car produced increases the value! :thumbsup:
Agree/Disagree anyone??:shrug01:
Shadow
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Certainly agree on the pricing of current (unsold) and previously owed units, and I too hate the idea of a strike. I'm not sure what they're striking about now, but if it's for more $$:NoNo:
Thats part of the problem with American automakers today (IMO) and a big reason for the outsourcing
Guess I need to re-read the article?
Thats part of the problem with American automakers today (IMO) and a big reason for the outsourcing
Guess I need to re-read the article?
stormin9mm
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GM
From what I read on the Matick Dealership web site, there were over 3,000 2008 Corvettes on dealership lots already . I would feel bad for the people that have placed orders. Don't you love reading the weekly order constraints on Corvettes on the EVS website that GM imposes.
From what I read on the Matick Dealership web site, there were over 3,000 2008 Corvettes on dealership lots already . I would feel bad for the people that have placed orders. Don't you love reading the weekly order constraints on Corvettes on the EVS website that GM imposes.
85vette
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UAW Calls National Strike Against GM
Monday September 24, 12:57 pm ET
By Dee-Ann Durbin and Tom Krisher, AP Auto Writers
UAW Launches National Strike Against General Motors; Union Head Says "One-Sided" Talks Fail
DETROIT (AP) -- Thousands of United Auto Workers walked off the job at General Motors plants around the country Monday in the first nationwide strike against the U.S. auto industry since 1976.
UAW President Ron Gettelfinger said that job security was the top unresolved issue, adding that the talks did not stumble over a groundbreaking provision establishing a UAW-managed trust that will administer GM's retiree health care obligations. Gettelfinger complained about "one-sided negotiations."
"It was going to be General Motors' way at the expense of the workers," Gettelfinger said at a news conference. "The company walked right up to the deadline like they really didn't care."
Gettelfinger added that the union and GM's management would return to the table Monday.
Workers walked off the job and began picketing Monday outside GM plants after the late morning UAW strike deadline passed. The UAW has 73,000 members who work for GM at 82 U.S. facilities, including assembly and parts plants and warehouses.
General Motors Corp. had been pushing hard in the negotiations for the health care trust -- known as a Voluntary Employees Beneficiary Association, or VEBA -- so it could move $51 billion in unfunded retiree health costs off its books. GM has nearly 339,000 retirees and surviving spouses.
"This strike is not about the VEBA in any way shape or form," Gettelfinger said at an afternoon news conference in Detroit.
"The No. 1 issue here is job security," Gettelfinger later said, adding that the union also was fighting to preserve workers' benefits.
GM spokesman Dan Flores said the automaker was disappointed in the UAW's decision to call a national strike.
"The bargaining involves complex, difficult issues that affect the job security of our U.S. work force and the long-term viability of the company," he said. "We remain fully committed to working with the UAW to develop solutions together to address the competitive challenges facing GM."
It remained to be seen what effect the strike would have on the automaker and consumers. The company has sufficient stocks of just about every product to withstand a short strike, according to Tom Libby, senior director of industry analysis for J.D. Power and Associates.
Worker Anita Ahrens burst into tears as hundreds of United Auto Workers streamed out of a GM plant in Janesville, Wis.
"Oh my God, here they come," said Ahrens, 39. "This is unreal."
Ahrens has seven years at the plant, where she works nights installing speakers in sport utility vehicles. She waited outside the building Monday for her husband, Ron Ahrens, who has worked there for 21 years.
The couple has three children, including a college freshman, and Ahrens worried about how they would pay their bills.
"This is horrible, but we're die-hard union, so we have to," Ahrens said. "We got a mortgage, two car payments and tons of freaking bills."
Gettelfinger said he believed the UAW's leadership owed "our membership an answer as to why they're out there."
"This is as serious as anything that any of us do," he said. "There's not one person on this stage ... that wanted to see these negotiations end in a strike. Who wins in a strike? But again, you can be pushed off a cliff, and that's what we feel like happened here."
Despite the strike, GM stock rose a penny to $34.95 in midday trading.
Monday September 24, 12:57 pm ET
By Dee-Ann Durbin and Tom Krisher, AP Auto Writers
UAW Launches National Strike Against General Motors; Union Head Says "One-Sided" Talks Fail
DETROIT (AP) -- Thousands of United Auto Workers walked off the job at General Motors plants around the country Monday in the first nationwide strike against the U.S. auto industry since 1976.
UAW President Ron Gettelfinger said that job security was the top unresolved issue, adding that the talks did not stumble over a groundbreaking provision establishing a UAW-managed trust that will administer GM's retiree health care obligations. Gettelfinger complained about "one-sided negotiations."
"It was going to be General Motors' way at the expense of the workers," Gettelfinger said at a news conference. "The company walked right up to the deadline like they really didn't care."
Gettelfinger added that the union and GM's management would return to the table Monday.
Workers walked off the job and began picketing Monday outside GM plants after the late morning UAW strike deadline passed. The UAW has 73,000 members who work for GM at 82 U.S. facilities, including assembly and parts plants and warehouses.
General Motors Corp. had been pushing hard in the negotiations for the health care trust -- known as a Voluntary Employees Beneficiary Association, or VEBA -- so it could move $51 billion in unfunded retiree health costs off its books. GM has nearly 339,000 retirees and surviving spouses.
"This strike is not about the VEBA in any way shape or form," Gettelfinger said at an afternoon news conference in Detroit.
"The No. 1 issue here is job security," Gettelfinger later said, adding that the union also was fighting to preserve workers' benefits.
GM spokesman Dan Flores said the automaker was disappointed in the UAW's decision to call a national strike.
"The bargaining involves complex, difficult issues that affect the job security of our U.S. work force and the long-term viability of the company," he said. "We remain fully committed to working with the UAW to develop solutions together to address the competitive challenges facing GM."
It remained to be seen what effect the strike would have on the automaker and consumers. The company has sufficient stocks of just about every product to withstand a short strike, according to Tom Libby, senior director of industry analysis for J.D. Power and Associates.
Worker Anita Ahrens burst into tears as hundreds of United Auto Workers streamed out of a GM plant in Janesville, Wis.
"Oh my God, here they come," said Ahrens, 39. "This is unreal."
Ahrens has seven years at the plant, where she works nights installing speakers in sport utility vehicles. She waited outside the building Monday for her husband, Ron Ahrens, who has worked there for 21 years.
The couple has three children, including a college freshman, and Ahrens worried about how they would pay their bills.
"This is horrible, but we're die-hard union, so we have to," Ahrens said. "We got a mortgage, two car payments and tons of freaking bills."
Gettelfinger said he believed the UAW's leadership owed "our membership an answer as to why they're out there."
"This is as serious as anything that any of us do," he said. "There's not one person on this stage ... that wanted to see these negotiations end in a strike. Who wins in a strike? But again, you can be pushed off a cliff, and that's what we feel like happened here."
Despite the strike, GM stock rose a penny to $34.95 in midday trading.
Thats it no more Corvettes ! GM just closed the doors.:shrug01:
Shadow
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Don't bet on it. Canada is gearing up for a new plant and I understand that the Camaro will be built in Mexico?
Don't think for a minute that GM is going to let a union put them out of business.
Posturing on both sides
Well, it depends. Suppose you are a GM dealership? How will this affect them? Do they plan on only having stock on the lot for sale for the near future and price accordingly? What happens if the strike is extended and stock runs low? What then?
I remember my grandfather working at Bethlehem Steel in Maryland and they used to go on strikes for a VERY LONG time sometimes.
I remember my grandfather working at Bethlehem Steel in Maryland and they used to go on strikes for a VERY LONG time sometimes.
Shadow
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I see a win win for GM and the stealerships. 1st, they'll use the strike to scare the public into just this type of thinking. Then, should supplies begin to run a bit low, they'll jack up the $$ to compensate...they're now rare and exotic
:rofl1:I've seen some long strikes. I've also seen boatloads of workers replaced when the strike went too long....remember PATCO? One of the ringleaders was one of my neighbors. He sells vaccums now....syas business really "sucks"
85vette
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The company has sufficient stocks of just about every product to withstand a short strike, according to Tom Libby, senior director of industry analysis for J.D. Power and Associates.
I wonder what GM considers a "short" strike? A month maybe? Then again, by acknowledging that, are they daring the UAW to strike for and extended period of time?
I wonder what GM considers a "short" strike? A month maybe? Then again, by acknowledging that, are they daring the UAW to strike for and extended period of time?
It's actually a battle of the pocketbook. The striking workers hope that the company runs short of money (because they don't have product going out the door) before their bills overwhelm themselves and foreclosures begin to take place. Sometimes jobs are just lost for good as the company gets the feel for running on a leaner work force. Sometimes good workers are lost because they have no choice but to find a job somewhere else to get the bills paid.
If, as it was stated, that the strike is over job security, this might be akin to cutting off your nose to spite your face. Kind of like in the movie Blazing Saddles where the new black sheriff holds a gun to his own head and tells the towns people to stay back or he'll shoot.... ie: Give us job security or we will quit....
If, as it was stated, that the strike is over job security, this might be akin to cutting off your nose to spite your face. Kind of like in the movie Blazing Saddles where the new black sheriff holds a gun to his own head and tells the towns people to stay back or he'll shoot.... ie: Give us job security or we will quit....
Shadow
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Yep. Slow down a little maybe and not give it quite the production numbers they'd expect, but keep the $$ coming and negotiate until it's obviousl you've lost. Then if you don't like it, leave
PATCO (the Air Traffic Controllers Union) struck years back and the administration basically abolished them and replaced everyone. It's going to be hard to keep the company shut down any length of time. It's not like it was in the "old days".
85vette
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The air traffic controllers strike is what came to my mind also. I had a friend that was a Navy air traffic controller. About the time of the strike he was considering re-enlistment. Once he found out how much his civilian counterparts were thumbing their noses at, he went to work for the Feds after they fired all the striking employees. Lucky him.