Lose something?

[Shadow]

I started to put this in the "Just for laughs" section, but it was too pathetic for that

These are the same people that scrutinize YOUR gun permits (FFL's etc) and purchases

So don't forget they motto:
"We're from the government and we're here to help!":rofl1::lmao:

http://www.propeller.com/story/2008...mputers/?icid=100214839x1209391458x1200594540

Over a five-year period, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives lost dozens of weapons and hundreds of laptops that contained sensitive information, according to a scathing report issued yesterday by the Justice Department.

From 2002 to 2007, ATF lost 418 laptop computers and 76 weapons, according to the report. Two weapons were subsequently used to commit crimes. In one incident, a gun stolen from the home of a special agent was fired through the window of another home.

Ten firearms were "left in a public place." One of them was left on an airplane, three in bathrooms, one in a shopping cart and two on the top of cars as ATF employees drove away. A laptop also fell off the top of a car as an agent drove off. Another weapon "fell into the water while an agent was fishing," according to the report.

Look, I can understand losing a weapon overboard fishing. We've lost them overboard with the Coast Guard. S**t happens. And I can even understand leaving things on topo of the car (BTDT).

But:

One of them was left on an airplane, three in bathrooms, one in a shopping cart

And this:

In one incident, a gun stolen from the home of a special agent was fired through the window of another home.

You've GOT to be joking!!!
You do that and see what happens? Trust me, it won't be pretty:thumbsdown:

This just bolstered my faith in government oversight...:lmao::lmao:

 

[ynkedad]

I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation.

 

[floridaZ]

I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation.

I roffled.

But c'mon, you don't take your guns on a plane and to drop a duce? I take my RPD with me when I drop duces on planes.

As for the shopping cart, he was buying Lunchables and decided that for what they were paying him, he just didn't give a damn.

 

[Shadow]

I roffled.

But c'mon, you don't take your guns on a plane and to drop a duce? I take my RPD with me when I drop duces on planes.

As for the shopping cart, he was buying Lunchables and decided that for what they were paying him, he just didn't give a damn.

:rofl1:

I can understand maybe dropping it IN the crapper (know people that have done that one!), but not leaving it behind:NoNo:

 

[ynkedad]

Yes I know..I'm rambling!

I can understand why YOU Shadow and Leo's in general, would be upset at someone for making Mistakes like these in this profession. But, I personally believe that people, no matter what their profession, are only human.

People seem to forget that no of us are flawless and WE ALL make mistakes, sometimes really dumb ones. But just because a person is a Leo, it doesn't make them flawless.
Now granted, this is one of the professions where mistakes can be costly but, because of that and the fact that we hold Leo's to a higher standard...it's news.?
We all lose and forget stuff all of the time. Most civilians don't carry a gun like Leo's so, the chances of losing one is slim. Instead, we forget and lose stuff like keys, pens, wallets, briefcases, lap tops and OUR KIDS.
So, for ME to hold someone else (Like the ATF) to a higher standard (within the context of this topic) in my mind would be Hypocritical. It just wouldn't be fair.:NoNo:

 

[ynkedad]

FWI..

I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation.

Btw, this was me being silly..

 

[Shadow]

I can understand why YOU Shadow and Leo's in general, would be upset at someone for making Mistakes like these in this profession. But, I personally believe that people, no matter what their profession, are only human.

People seem to forget that no of us are flawless and WE ALL make mistakes, sometimes really dumb ones. But just because a person is a Leo, it doesn't make them flawless.
Now granted, this is one of the professions where mistakes can be costly but, because of that and the fact that we hold Leo's to a higher standard...it's news.?
We all lose and forget stuff all of the time. Most civilians don't carry a gun like Leo's so, the chances of losing one is slim. Instead, we forget and lose stuff like keys, pens, wallets, briefcases, lap tops and OUR KIDS.
So, for ME to hold someone else (Like the ATF) to a higher standard (within the context of this topic) in my mind would be Hypocritical. It just wouldn't be fair.:NoNo:

Sorry Ray, but I have to disagree with you on this one. LEO's are definately not falwless and I didn't mean to imply such; however, they are, correctly or not, by description are held to a much higher standard in both thier personal and professional lives.

Furthermore, this is the agency that OVERSEE's gun laws, purchases, transactions, and all weapons related matters within the US.

As I said previously, losing one overboard or into the crapper, is an accident and certainly understandable.

But leaving one in the stall, in the grocery cart, etc, is unmistakably stupid and negligent. You're in the bathroom how long? You took your weapon off and laid it on the counter, then forgot it?:NoNo:

If you and I leave a weapon laying around and some gets hold of it, comits a crime, you and I are going to have hell to pay. In one instance this did occur. I just wonder what became of it?

I've read the account so people leaving thier kids on the car and such. A laptop, bottle of soda, your purse/wallet, etc, I can understand. A child....:NoNo:

These guys (and it's a relative few as compared to the number of men and women in that agency) were for the most part negligent.

 

[Rich Z]

Well, I dunno, but I'm not a LEO, but have been carrying a gun nearly every day for the past 17 years and I have NEVER lost or misplaced one.

 

[Kap142]

Well, I dunno, but I'm not a LEO, but have been carrying a gun nearly every day for the past 17 years and I have NEVER lost or misplaced one.

I'm with ya Rich. I never left mine "behind" (go ahead Shadow tell me this was an unintentional pun, right!) in the crapper but that's 'cause I'm r a prefessional! Now where I left my marbles is an entirely different question.

 

[gmjunkie]

Yeah,I have to agree that it's purdy negligent!!That would be as bad as me leaving a ball joint or wheel loose on somebody's car!!:thumbsup::thumbsup:
And it just won't happen,I check everything I've had off 3 times!!:thumbsup::thumbsup:
I may be slow,but I don't kill people!!:thumbsup:

 

[floridaZ]

I can understand maybe dropping it IN the crapper (know people that have done that one!), but not leaving it behind:NoNo:

Nah, the RPD falls in the crapper, it stays in the crapper. Someone wants to use the toilet they can hover, or pull it out themselves.

You'd think that the ATF would be a bit more careful to avoid losing guns. I work at Disney though, so I see alot of idiots. So I can see a few of them losing a gun if they lose their first born son. Who also happens to be their translator.

 

[ynkedad]

Please excuse my earlier post as I was in a hurry and I may have been vague or misleading.

I agree that some of the 10 who left/lost their weapons in public need a :spank2:ing. But I also believe that sh!t sometimes happens. I personally have a hard time being forgiving of an agent who'd leave their weapon in public. But again, They're only human and sh!t sometimes happens.
Besides, for all I know, their may have been extenuating circumstances as to how and why 3 weapons were left in bathrooms.
The same goes for the two left on the cars.
How many were lost due to stoopid Rookie Mistakes?
Who knows what was going on?
It certainly made NO mention of it in the article.:NoNo:

NTM, this is a News Paper article written by a Staff Writer who reported on an investigation and could have put a twist on it.

As for the other 66 weapons.. they were non-specific as to how they came up missing or again, what the circumstances were.
That being said, as far as the ATF agency as a whole, they need to get a better grip on what's going on in their department IMO.

That being said...There's Not an agency out there that hasn't experienced this sort of thing, (IE) Lost or misplaced weapons, evidence laptops etc...

I personally think the reason this is such a Hot Topic is because they're "ATF".
But at the end of the day every Law Enforcement Agency is responsible for their weapons etc. Not just the ATF.

So, I'm not going to pass judgement on something I have limited information about. Why? Well because I refuse to be like some of the PATHETIC IDIOTS that posted comments below the story (in the link you provided.)

 

[Shadow]

I never read those remarks. Most are made by people without a clue.

You're right that some may have been rookie mistakes and God knows, I've made my share of them, but NEVER with a firearm!!

I know people are human and chit happens, but when you are the agency vested with the responsibility of weapon safety accountability, I cut you a narrow berth.

But like you said. There have been countless circumstances of agencies big and small, losing dope, weapons from evidence and all kinds of abuse of "evidentiary material" (ie cars, etc).

Chit does happen though and this time, it happened to them:lmao:

 

[ynkedad]

STOOPID...:hehehe: