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Officer Returns Fire

That gives you a good example of how fast things can go bad on a "Routine" traffic stop. He was lucky he didn't get hit. In that fleeting instant when the suspect pointed the gun out the window, the LEO didn't know whether to s*** or go blind. Fortunatley he recovered enough to resort to his training and did what he needed to do.
I use the word Routine in jest....there is no such thing. Routine in this business is just a synonym for complacent.

Domestic situations are considered the highest risk, traffic stops are second, although this officer may argue that point.
 
85vette said:
That gives you a good example of how fast things can go bad on a "Routine" traffic stop. He was lucky he didn't get hit. In that fleeting instant when the suspect pointed the gun out the window, the LEO didn't know whether to s*** or go blind. Fortunatley he recovered enough to resort to his training and did what he needed to do.
I use the word Routine in jest....there is no such thing. Routine in this business is just a synonym for complacent.

Domestic situations are considered the highest risk, traffic stops are second, although this officer may argue that point.
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:iagree: but to add to this, although domestics are considered the highest risk, compared to other calls/activities, your probablility of attack on a traffic stop is compounded by the numbers.

Most uniformed officers will make more traffic stops in a day/week/month/year, etc, than they will handle domestics.

The "opportunity" for an adverse action is greatly increased as a result.
 
I heard the "click" in the video:eek:

He's one lucky SOB!

This is precisely why you DO NOT STAND directly in line with the driver on a traffic stop:nonod:
Complacency in a MOFO and will get you nearly every time. Thankfully, this wasn't "one of those times.":thumbsup:

This is bullchit:mad:
It took the six-woman jury one hour to make its ruling following nearly five hours of testimony, which included a videotape that showed Davis pointing a pistol inches from Jessop’s face and pulling the trigger.

The click of the revolver’s hammer hitting a previously fired round was audible on the tape.
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After seeing that video, and hearing that "click", should have taken those people 1 minute to reach a decision:rolleyes:

I realize that a lot of delay is posturing for political purposes; however, in a case a clear cut as this, there should be ZERO concern over the response from the community!

Justified, next item on the agenda.....
 
Shadow said:
I heard the "click" in the video:eek:

He's one lucky SOB!

This is precisely why you DO NOT STAND directly in line with the driver on a traffic stop:nonod:
Complacency in a MOFO and will get you nearly every time. Thankfully, this wasn't "one of those times.":thumbsup:

This is bullchit:mad:


After seeing that video, and hearing that "click", should have taken those people 1 minute to reach a decision:rolleyes:

I realize that a lot of delay is posturing for political purposes; however, in a case a clear cut as this, there should be ZERO concern over the response from the community!

Justified, next item on the agenda.....
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I agree but I'm thinking he shot while the guy was fleeing. In other words his shots were maybe considered offensive and not defensive although his responsibility was to protect the community and get this guy off the streets. I'm just trying to learn something here. I'm pretty sure if I shot someone fleeing my house I would be prosecuted.
 
Bob K said:
I agree but I'm thinking he shot while the guy was fleeing. In other words his shots were maybe considered offensive and not defensive although his responsibility was to protect the community and get this guy off the streets. I'm just trying to learn something here. I'm pretty sure if I shot someone fleeing my house I would be prosecuted.
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And you'd probably be correct Bob.

Without getting into a legal debate, generally speaking a citizen can defend his/her person or property, without the requirement to retreat, with actions up to and including, deadly force.

Once a person is fleeing and no longer a threat to the "victim", you really have no more authority to pursue them.

Conversely, a law enforcement officers duty by definition and obligation (loosly interpreted by the supreme court), is to "Serve and protect" the citizen from acts of violence and apprehend those comminitng these violent acts.

Fleeing felon laws are interpreted and applied differently around the country, even among agencies as they apply to policy decisions.

That said, basing my comments on FLORIDA law (which is all I'm familiar with), the officer was well within his rights to continuing to fire as the suspect fled.

The supect had committed a forcible felony against the officer, was still armed, and if allowed to escape may pose a continued threat to other officers and and the community at large.

Offensive vs. Defensive?

His initial shots were defensive (maybe the 1st couple). After that, definately offensive in an attempt to stop and apprehend the fleeing felon. Fully justified.:thumbsup:

Readers digest version:
Citizen-Defend, don't pursue.
Cops-Defend and pursue.

That help any?
 
Thanks Gordon, just wanted some clarification from a LEO. In Florida a few years back they always arrested the gun. Now they cannot do that anymore under most circumstances.

Why did this go to a jury? Was it possibly to protect the officer from future law suits? Or, maybe because the guy was fleeing? What happens here in Florida after a shooting by a LEO?
 
It was a Coroner's Jury, probably something specific to thier jurisdiction.

Here the shootings are reviewed internally by:
1) Shooting review board
2) Legal
3) SAO (States Attorney's Office)

and if there's any indication that there even "might" be a "Due Process, civil rights violation" the Feds will step in and conduct thier own investigation.

If everythings as it should be, it doesn't take that long. In the meanwhile, the officer gets administrative leave and counseling if he/she needs or wants it. Some agencies even "demand" that an officer attend at least one session:rolleyes:

Most larger agencies also have an after action team of BTDT types that are there to support the officer if there's any post traumatic stress issues.

The whole thing takes (generally) just a few days, but in many cases, the report will be held for a week to 10 days to pacify the public.

As long as the officer has thier stuff together5, it's pretty cut and dried:thumbsup:
 
Shadow said:
And you'd probably be correct Bob.

Without getting into a legal debate, generally speaking a citizen can defend his/her person or property, without the requirement to retreat, with actions up to and including, deadly force.

Once a person is fleeing and no longer a threat to the "victim", you really have no more authority to pursue them.

Conversely, a law enforcement officers duty by definition and obligation (loosly interpreted by the supreme court), is to "Serve and protect" the citizen from acts of violence and apprehend those comminitng these violent acts.

Fleeing felon laws are interpreted and applied differently around the country, even among agencies as they apply to policy decisions.

That said, basing my comments on FLORIDA law (which is all I'm familiar with), the officer was well within his rights to continuing to fire as the suspect fled.

The supect had committed a forcible felony against the officer, was still armed, and if allowed to escape may pose a continued threat to other officers and and the community at large.

Offensive vs. Defensive?

His initial shots were defensive (maybe the 1st couple). After that, definately offensive in an attempt to stop and apprehend the fleeing felon. Fully justified.:thumbsup:

Readers digest version:
Citizen-Defend, don't pursue.
Cops-Defend and pursue.

That help any?
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Well put Shadow, with your comment highlighted in red as to why the officer can keep firing. I was going to type the same thing until I read through all the posts.
 
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