somebody needs to get..well.....

[Shadow]

Saw this on "another forum." won't mention the name or the mod, but dayum!!!

sure glad we're more laid back here...:thumbsup:

Freeposting isn’t allowed at ************.***. Moderators will use their best judgment in identifying freeposters, but the judgments will by necessity be subjective.

...blah blah blah....

There may be times when a Forum member becomes so annoying to fellow Forum members and/or moderators -- even without specifically violating any Forum rules/guidelines, that the appropriate remedy is just to deny service to them.

Wow!!! wonder if this applies to obnoxious mods too???lmao:

Sure is nice here....:thumbsup:

 

[Rich Z]

What exactly do they mean by "freeposters"? Been doing message boards for a LONG time, but have never used that phrase myself to describe any members on it.....

 

[Gannet]

The day may well come when CorvetteFlorida.com gets so big that they have to deal with issues like this. Everything's fine while you don't have jerks hanging around, but when they arrive you have to do something or they will run the good people off. This is especially true of forums that attract a fair number of young men with testosterone overloads. It's inevitable that when a place gets as big as that one is, you have to have cops.

 

[Shadow]

Unfortunately, Gannet's right although it's not just the "big" boards that sometimes need policing.

Another board I mod for, a statewide F-body organization, recently had a group of just what you mentioned...testosterone overloaded, simple minded types (male and female) that thought filling up the board with BS was the way to promote traffic and membership???

I moved the entire thread to the "lounge" to keep it out of the public eye (it really was rediculous and ran off a few potential users because of the juvenile content )), but left it alone and intact.
You'd have thought the world came to an end!!! People bitching about censorship (remember, it was left intact) and thier "rights" (uh, it's a private board:rofl1: ) and such rediculous nonsense.

This was a recurring problem with just this one group of people and we (as a club and directors of the organization) ended up having to take more severe action.

Rich,

Free posting is simply a term for something posted with no other reason than to increase post count or to make the board look like it has more traffic.

Like posting a :wavey: with no commentary while not responding to another post. It's childish in some cases, but totally harmless:thumbsup: Sometimes, it actually leads to a more serious discussion:thumbsup:

My intent with this post was to vent. I've been a member of the "other board" since (IIRC?) 1999 and am a lifetime supporting member. I like it, it has some great people there, and of course, being an international board, I've met new friends from all over the world:thumbsup:

Unfortunately, in the last year or so, there seems to be one person there thats just gottne lock and ban happy (or crazy-your chioice?) (and it's not the person that posted that comment I quoted in part).

There is no such thing as a dialog with some of the mods there, no discussion and even though it says you can pm or email them to discuss a matter, good luck:thumbsdown: It usually results in a kurt response if any and an I don't need a reason attitude.

God forbid you ask an admin! I did that once and a MONTH later got a response that was less than adaquate. I've never had that happen here.

Unfortunately, there seems to be no control for the mods either. At least police have the public and internal affairs to answer to:rofl1:

And if someone asks (publicly) why something was done....you're likely to find yourself in "BANNED CAMP" (band camp) for doing so

I don't know the whole story between the particular poster and the mod that locked his thread and made the comment stated, but the thread starter is a loooonngg time member with beaucoup posts to his credit:thumbsup:

I do know that he (the thread starter) made several posts "messing" (in a harmless-joking kind of way) with the mod. So what? What does it hurt? He wasn't threatening or abusive and the mod (or anyone else for that matter) could have just read past them.

The whole thing just kind of hit me wrong and I knew I could vent here without retribution:thumbsup:

 

[ynkedad]

Home Sa WeeeeeeeeT Home!

:iagree: This is Home!:thumbsup.

IMHO...There seems to some A lot of Crotchety Vette owners "over there".
It seems like there's always someone bitching something, usually about a topic that's been posted before several times or someones Grammar. :willy_nilly:
Like they can't just blow on by a Thread that bothers them, they'd rather go inside and post rude obnoxious crap, directed towards the thread poster.

Then some of the "Moderators" who are supposed to keep an objective eye on things, allow certain "privileged" members (can you say Clique) to Either post their Sarcastic BS, or Fuel the Fire by Slamming their ASS right along with the rest of them!:banghead:

All the while... the innocent guy that posted the original thread, feels like he was A$$ Raped ics: by his supposed "Vette Brothers" thinking, I'd at least like to be kissed while being Screwed!:hehehe:
Seems like there's a lot of people who've forgotten what these forums are Supposed to be all about!:willy_nilly: ( NOT INCLUDING THIS FORUM )

I DUNNO..:thinkin:

~RAY

 

[Shadow]

:iagree: This is Home!:thumbsup.

IMHO...There seems to some A lot of Crotchety Vette owners "over there".
It seems like there's always someone bitching something, usually about a topic that's been posted before several times or someones Grammar. :willy_nilly:
Like they can't just blow on by a Thread that bothers them, they'd rather go inside and post rude obnoxious crap, directed towards the thread poster.

Then some of the "Moderators" who are supposed to keep an objective eye on things, allow certain "privileged" members (can you say Clique) to Either post their Sarcastic BS, or Fuel the Fire by Slamming their ASS right along with the rest of them!:banghead:

All the while... the innocent guy that posted the original thread, feels like he was A$$ Raped ics: by his supposed "Vette Brothers" thinking, I'd at least like to be kissed while being Screwed!:hehehe:
Seems like there's a lot of people who've forgotten what these forums are Supposed to be all about!:willy_nilly: ( NOT INCLUDING THIS FORUM )

I DUNNO..:thinkin:

~RAY

Yep!:thumbsup:

The other one has it's place. International comaraderie and tons of information, but we'll get there eventually

This is just so laid back that it's more fun:yesnod:

I hope we never get otherwise:NoNo:

 

[Rich Z]

Well I do run a larger forum (actually a couple) and have had my ups and downs with them. And yes, the more members you have participating the more likely conflicts will arise. I think I have tried every method on the books in how to deal with them, and seen what will work and what won't. And I am still trying things just to see what the results will be, in some cases.

But as a general rule, my policy is to be excessively lenient until excessively provoked. I hate to lock threads, simply because my feeling is that the person locking the thread is telling everyone else, "Shut up. I don't want you talking about this any longer." And afterall, these are discussion sites, and that is what forums are for.

Banning is extreme and should be used very cautiously. It engenders resentment along with an everlasting scar. A member banned will always carry a grudge about it, even if deeply concealed. It's like calling someone a "liar" to their face. Even though you both know he actually is a liar, in the "liar's" eyes, you have now become a bad guy. Just the way it works in human personalities I guess.

So locked threads and banning HERE will be as a completely last resort. And it likely will not take place until most of the members feel it is due and vocalize that opinion strenuously.

And for the record, I have seen MANY sites basically decimated by one or more bad moderators. For some reason this will go to their heads and they get inflicted with a God complex. All a site needs is to have someone like that going around banning members at a drop of a hat, and closing threads based on a petty whim, and you have a lot of pissed off members looking for a better place to hang out. So any admin seeing the need to add on moderators needs to be damned careful about that process. It is very appealing to offer moderatorships to people as a "thank you" for their support or to even try to use them to help promote activity on the site. But it is without a doubt a double edged sword that you need to be very careful about how you handle it.

Anyway, I am always open to suggestions and complaints. I won't always be able to do anything about them, but I will always give them serious consideration. My request to you all, please, is to not give me a suggestion or complaint that you are not willing to accept that I may need to reject for reasons that are not apparent to you. While certainly nearly everything will be possible, not everything is practical nor prudent to do.

Achh, I'm rambling..... Better be getting along before I make a novel out of this reply.

Thanks everyone.... I hope WE can make this one of the best sites on the planet. I don't care about BIGGEST at all......

 

[Shadow]

Hell YEah!!!!

(sorry...just had a rum & coke):lmao:

 

[Mekanic]

Hell YEah!!!!

(sorry...just had a rum & coke):lmao:

it better had been Bacardi!

OH, I understand the term "free posting" now. every where I have been, and every forum I have ran we called it "post whoring"

I ran a few large paintball forums for a while. And in all of them, I was the only moderator for ALL the forums, for at least 6 months to a year before I decided who would make a good mod.

And I have taken away many moderator privileges from people. They may be a great mod for a couple months, but once the "God Complex" kicks in, its time for you to go back to being a regular user.

I ran all my sites the same way you run this one Rich, and for keeping people happy, and discussions lively, it is indeed the best way. But I feel that once the ACTIVE user count comes up some more, you may need more backup.

I was doing okay being the sole mod on my sites with 2k+ users, until the activity level rose exponentially, (read 15k page views a day) Then I had to scramble to find more good mods. And it went well for a while, till the "God Complex" kicked in on a lot of them, and I had to start being the mod mod, and mod the forums while modding the mods, and a tear occurred in the time space continuum and my fingernails fell off (that'll see who is still reading this )

Between all the forums I've been on (probably 50) I've been a mod for at least 10, owned 2, and I'd assume I have close to 100k posts between them. So saying from experience, this site is fantastically laid out (I hate a forum with bright color schemes, hurts the eyes, makes people leave too soon) , and the administration of it is second to none, conflicts aren't closed just because they are conflicts, people arent banned unless for extreme cases of mindless shitbaggery. Its just a great time for all the lucky members here.

I know this site will go far, and I'm proud to be a part of it, screw what other sites do, once they get their user count up, page views ridiculous, and sponsors overpaying, they almost always make the mistake of shooting themselves in the foot. I see this site getting that big, but I don't think with the way it is now there is any chance of it failing.


Rich

 

[Shadow]

Mekanic-it better had been Bacardi!


Capt. Morgan and I have an agreement:icon_cheers: :lmao:

 

[Rich Z]

Dayumm... I'm in the market for a car cover for the C6 coming soon, so I decided to go to my favorite OTHER Corvette forum to seek out some info and advice. So I am reading along in a thread about car covers and people are making some good suggestions and giving advice from their experiences, and I am happily zipping along soaking in the info. But suddenly, the thread just comes to an abrupt end back in mid July after only running for a shade under a month. So I finally notice that it has been CLOSED! WTF? http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=1428898

Why in the world was that thread closed? Now I'll be the first to admit that I spend quite a bit of time on that site because of the sheer volume of information that is there, but this just boggles my mind. Is that now normal procedure over there? If so NOW I see what you are talking about, Gordon. Sheesh....

I don't know who the owner of the site is, but I think he/she had better start auditing the actions of the moderators there.

 

[Gannet]

It wasn't closed due to some dastardly action of the moderators. All threads on CF that are in the Archives are closed. It keeps people from accidently or otherwise resurrecting very old threads. You could argue either way as to whether this is good policy, but CF is certainly not the only forum to do it that way.

 

[Rich Z]

Well dang.... How can you tell that thread is in the archive? I just did a search and came up with it. And it's not really that old of a thread.....

So what am I missing here? :shrug01:

 

[2Vettes]

Mekanic-it better had been Bacardi!


Capt. Morgan and I have an agreement:icon_cheers: :lmao:

Feet up on the desk, reading the posts, VO on the rocks in hand and all is well...:thumbsup:

 

[Shadow]

It wasn't closed due to some dastardly action of the moderators. All threads on CF that are in the Archives are closed. It keeps people from accidently or otherwise resurrecting very old threads. You could argue either way as to whether this is good policy, but CF is certainly not the only forum to do it that way.

You're correct; however, when do they decide to make a thread an archived thread and close it?

Do a search and you'll find plenty of threads that were last posted on in September but are still active.

Ive never seen another forum including the other oneI mod on lock an archived thread. I'm sure they are out there though.

They just locked another one because a guy asked a very touchy question. I think he could have worded it better, but none the less, it was still a valid question:thumbsup:

Instead of the posters giving him some sort of a serious answer, they began to bash him. It;s sort of kneejerk, mob mentality that we normally see there on certain subjects

Instead of the MOD having the juevos to fix thr problem, he just locked the thread:NoNo:

Seems thats the way it goes there with certain people

Same thing with the CARFAX BS. It's apparently a :NoNo: to ask someone to run one for you. Seems the admins have determined that to be "theft of services", yet it;s ok for some members to provide DMV information to certain others gleaned from data bases that are not accessible to the public:nonod:

Not only is that a :NoNo: ..IT's ILLEGAL!! But i guess that passed the admins simple thought process:lmao:

I get more fed up there by the day!

 

[Shadow]

Feet up on the desk, reading the posts, VO on the rocks in hand and all is well...:thumbsup:

:lmao: No there ya go!:thumbsup: :icon_cheers:

 

[Rich Z]

Same thing with the CARFAX BS. It's apparently a :NoNo: to ask someone to run one for you. Seems the admins have determined that to be "theft of services", yet it;s ok for some members to provide DMV information to certain others gleaned from data bases that are not accessible to the public:nonod:

Not only is that a :NoNo: ..IT's ILLEGAL!! But i guess that passed the admins simple thought process:lmao:

Well, I have looked over the Terms and Conditions page on CarFax (http://www.carfax.com/cfm/legal_disclaimer.cfm) and wading through the legal mumbo jumbo, I really can't see any restriction against my running a CarFax for someone else, or even GIVING them my logon info as long as they are using it for personal uses, as am I. Anyone able to pick that out of the text?

 

[Gannet]

I agree to pay a one-time charge of $24.99 (USD), plus applicable sales tax, according to my card issuer agreement. This 30 day Unlimited CARFAX Reports Plan is valid for 30 days from the date the first report is run, and is intended for my personal use only.

and

CARFAX offers you access to the Site and to the Content available on the Site solely for your own personal and non-commercial use.

You can't buy one CARFAX personal account and then use it for 100 of your buddies on a chat board.

Really, I wish you guys would STOP with the Corvette Forum bashing. Yes, you have "free speech", within whatever boundaries this site's owner sets. Yes, I even agree with just about all of the complaints and sentiments expressed, and even have another set of my own. That's not the point. It is tacky, at best, to bitch about one online forum on another online forum. Don't like the place, don't go there. Disagree with the way it's run, complain to the site owners or mods. Don't bash them here. It's like talking behind someone's back.

You wonder why some forums are sensitive about links from other forums? Well, this sort of thing is one of the reasons why.

Just my opinion.

 

[Gannet]

You're correct; however, when do they decide to make a thread an archived thread and close it?

They don't "decide". There's an algorithm running on the site software that ages threads automatically. Usually they work by age of newest post in the thread. If you go to the bottom-right of any of the post list pages you'll see the links for page "1 2 3 Last". Click Last and you will see the oldest posts that are still open. Right now in C5 General it's running at 9-17, so I assume they have it set to three months. Surely a thread that has not had any new posts in the last three months is ready for the archives?

 

[Shadow]

and
You can't buy one CARFAX personal account and then use it for 100 of your buddies on a chat board.

As I see it, based upon what you just quoted, yes...you can. As long as you're not using it for "commercial gain", they are not paying for it or using it for personal gain (other than it's intended use-to purchase a clean car) then it's personal use. If I were charging members to run them, that'd be a different story. Someone is going to have to show me where CARFAX specifically articulates that one can't run a report for a friend without compensation. Otherswise I stand by my opinion on this one..

One thing I can tell you for a fact though is DMV information being supplied to another is illegal inthe State of Florida. As a LEO, I can't even release the information to the victim. A P.I. has to have a client and even then, it's a gray area as to whether they can release the information to other than an attorney or othe party representing the client. Try going into DMV ans just telling them that you want to run a tag. See how well that works:rofl1:
But this little diddy seems to be ignored by the mods. I personally could care less about it and feel it should under certain circumstances, be made available. But if you're going to cop a holier than though..."this is theft" attitude about CARFAX, then do the same for disallowing criminal actions on the other as well!!!
Right is right and wrong is wrong!

Really, I wish you guys would STOP with the Corvette Forum bashing. Yes, you have "free speech", within whatever boundaries this site's owner sets. Yes, I even agree with just about all of the complaints and sentiments expressed, and even have another set of my own. That's not the point. It is tacky, at best, to bitch about one online forum on another online forum. Don't like the place, don't go there. Disagree with the way it's run, complain to the site owners or mods. Don't bash them here. It's like talking behind someone's back.

I agree. Thats why I didn't mention the name of the forum or the moderator(s) involved in my initial post..
I'm not "bashing" CorvetteForum:NoNo: and I don't believe in talking about someone behind thier back. Unfortunately, you can't vent or voice theses opinions over there without retribution
I vented here, simply because you CAN"T vent there.

If I thought that it'd do any good, I'd have taken my gripe to the source. But having done so in the past, I found it a total waste of time!:thumbsdown: I don't expect them to agree with me or even change thier opinion. I do expect a level of decency and common courtesy among users and sometimes brothers in employment.
If someone asks me why I did something in a PM, I'll always give them my reason or rationale. If it doesn't sit well with them, I'm sorry, but I'll never ignore you or give you a kurt response! I've even reopened threads and apologized on another forum I mod for over a misunderstanding. Simply put, I made a mistake...imagine that?:rofl1: You live and learn...one hopes?

Complaining or talking to the site owner or a mod?

When you ask a question of an adminsitrator/owner, unless you're one of the choosen few, you "might" get an answer in a month or so. Thats not only rude, it's illogical as a business owner and YES, CF is a business.

I decided a while back to become a lifetime supporting member. Why? Because, just like here, I believed in what they were doing and it helped further the cause of the "brotherhood" of the corvette community. I hand carried (happened to be in the area) my payment to the "office."

I found it to be a UPS Box in Sarasota. The HQ is about 6"10":rofl1:

Then it took them 2+ months to receive it, post it and get my sig in order

If you take a look in the "steering committe" section, there are a lot of great ideas put forth my members that go ignored for months if not permanantely by the site owner/administrators??

Sometimes the site owner won't even respond in a thread for months at a time to address an issue?

I've joked before that we're not a "steering committee" we're just drift and along for the ride.

Trying to talk with "some" (not all-we have some good one there too) of the mods there will usually net the same result:lmao: It's a waste of time and typing skill.

Making a complaint, suggestion or noting a problem will simply get the poster locked down and either temporarily or permanantly banned

Overall if you stay out of OT, the sites ok. I go there form much the same reasons Rich and I'm sure many others do. Simply becasue of the wealth of information that is presented there. :thumbsup: When you have thousands of users from all over the world, it's bound to have something we don't have on a local forum.

You wonder why some forums are sensitive about links from other forums? Well, this sort of thing is one of the reasons why.

Just my opinion.

I'm sorry Gannet if you thought I was bashing the other forum. There's no reason to do so. The 2 are totally different client bases with some overlap (for FLorida owners) and can and do quite cohesively co-exsist with each other:thumbsup:

I was simply venting among friends over a wrong I felt had occurred and unfortunately, didn't feel that I couldn't vent there or to the party involved.

If I offended you, you have my apologies. And you opinion is ALWAYS welcomed:thumbsup: