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The outside's world view of Obama
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85vette
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I don't travel outside the United States as much as I did 5 years ago .When I did travel to Europe and Asia I presented myself as a Canadian .Canadian backpack ,Canadian baseball cap and the wife did the same .We could get the grass root feeling about the US .My wife is multi-lingual and could hear comments made about some Americans .
The fact is that respect for the United States started down hill when we pushed for the invasion of Iraq and drug our allies with us .George ll sucked us into a tar baby that will last for a generation .
Obama was never qualified nor will he every be qualified to lead the country .He was elected by independents that disliked Bush and people convincing themselves that they we're not racist .
Some Republicans and some Democrats vote for "The Party" no matter how bad the candidate .The candidate is determined by money .Like it or not we will probably have to pick between Donald and Hillary .I bet you'll hear "I voted for XOXO ,lesser of two evils "
The fact is that respect for the United States started down hill when we pushed for the invasion of Iraq and drug our allies with us .George ll sucked us into a tar baby that will last for a generation .
Obama was never qualified nor will he every be qualified to lead the country .He was elected by independents that disliked Bush and people convincing themselves that they we're not racist .
Some Republicans and some Democrats vote for "The Party" no matter how bad the candidate .The candidate is determined by money .Like it or not we will probably have to pick between Donald and Hillary .I bet you'll hear "I voted for XOXO ,lesser of two evils "
Yeah, I voted for Ron Paul last election. I would rather vote for someone I actually would want for POTUS rather than have to choose between the (probably wrong) lesser of two evils. If there is no one I even remotely want as president, I will simply abstain and write in "NOTA".
As long as you keep doing the same things you have been doing, is it any wonder that you keep getting the same results over and over again?
Both the dems and the repubs are playing us like fools. They have convinced us that we really don't have any other choices but the ones they toss us. Aren't you tired of playing this game by their rules?
85vette
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Yes I am. That's why I'll likely vote for Trump or Carson. But I refuse to throw away my vote if it means Hillary or Sanders win. I don't vote based on party lines but the dems and liberals have nothing this country needs at this point. How's Obamacare working for you? I'm being fined(again)because my health insurance doesn't meet Obama's requirements! :thumbsdown:
The fact is we DO have to play by their rules. They DO convince us that we have to vote for them. That's what their campaigns are all about. And if you keep voting for someone who can't possibly win, you WILL get the same results.
It's politics. It's not about the best candidate anymore(if it ever was). It does seem like a country with 320 million people would have a better selection of qualified candidates doesn't it?
The fact is we DO have to play by their rules. They DO convince us that we have to vote for them. That's what their campaigns are all about. And if you keep voting for someone who can't possibly win, you WILL get the same results.
It's politics. It's not about the best candidate anymore(if it ever was). It does seem like a country with 320 million people would have a better selection of qualified candidates doesn't it?
So you believe that the voting system actually works and is not orchestrated at all? Do you think it is purely by chance that the options we are presented with concerning the low quality of contestants in political races is accidental? Why aren't REAL honorable people ever seemingly able to rise to the level where we CAN vote them into being OUR president? Why are we only getting Bozo #1 or Bozo#2 to vote for? Of which half the population is going to believe #1 is worse than #2, and the other half believe that #2 is worse than #1. Is it because only Bozos want to become POTUS, or only bozos are ALLOWED to reach for that ring?
Once you understand that all political offices can be bought it becomes easier to understand why political decisions seems to always favor industry over "the people". Always follow the money trail.
Speaking of ObamaCare, who exactly is going to be making out the best from that boondoggle? Us? Or the health insurance industry? Do you think money wasn't the incentive behind pushing through that mess into law? Seriously, I wish I had a business whereby the government makes it a LAW that everyone HAS to buy my product. Where do I sign up for that?
Me personally? ObamaCare saved Connie and I a bunch of money right before I went onto Medicare. Connie has 5 more years to dance the dance until she becomes eligible for Medicare. She is going to have to change her doctor whether she likes her doctor or not. None of the ObamaCare packages she is eligible for next year will be accepted by her doctor. She's not happy about it, but the difference in price between dancing to the tune and not dancing is quite substantial.
But every penny saved today, boondoggle or not, is a penny in our pockets. So yes, we are willing to put up with the BS if it saves us from having to pay the exorbitant prices that health insurance demands these days.
Will ObamaCare survive reality? Doubtful. Heck, even looking hard at Medicare shows that it's not likely that will survive without the entire country going down in flames. This country can't possibly continue along the road it is progressing with the government's spending illness without the entire USA becoming a slave state and everyone working pretty much for nothing but the bare minimum of subsistence income. All disposable income will be disposed of by government taxing and their own frivolous spending. Heck look at prices of anything today and compare them to even 10 years ago. Prices haven't gone up, the value of our dollars has fallen through the floor. And that is accelerating every day. How long can that go on?
How much interest are you making on your savings accounts? Is that even keeping up with inflation? Is saving money making any sense any more?
So who is going to fix this mess? The people who are herded in front of us to vote for because in order to be able to afford to run for office, they had to make promises to SOMEONE in order to be promoted and financed? Has anyone voted into office to replace a supposedly worse candidate made ANY difference in the last 10 years? Do you think your voting for either Donald Duck or Mickey Mouse today is going to change things?
Is voting for a Republican, no matter how bad the offering is, just to keep the Democrats out really what voting is all about? The entire voting process, in my opinion, has just become an expensive play put on to keep us all occupied and entertained while the real power shuffles our attention from one thing to another while trying to stay out of the spotlight themselves while they do what they want to do with us. Do you REALLY think anyone with REAL power would allow us peons to be able to just vote them out of power?
Once you understand that all political offices can be bought it becomes easier to understand why political decisions seems to always favor industry over "the people". Always follow the money trail.
Speaking of ObamaCare, who exactly is going to be making out the best from that boondoggle? Us? Or the health insurance industry? Do you think money wasn't the incentive behind pushing through that mess into law? Seriously, I wish I had a business whereby the government makes it a LAW that everyone HAS to buy my product. Where do I sign up for that?
Me personally? ObamaCare saved Connie and I a bunch of money right before I went onto Medicare. Connie has 5 more years to dance the dance until she becomes eligible for Medicare. She is going to have to change her doctor whether she likes her doctor or not. None of the ObamaCare packages she is eligible for next year will be accepted by her doctor. She's not happy about it, but the difference in price between dancing to the tune and not dancing is quite substantial.
But every penny saved today, boondoggle or not, is a penny in our pockets. So yes, we are willing to put up with the BS if it saves us from having to pay the exorbitant prices that health insurance demands these days.
Will ObamaCare survive reality? Doubtful. Heck, even looking hard at Medicare shows that it's not likely that will survive without the entire country going down in flames. This country can't possibly continue along the road it is progressing with the government's spending illness without the entire USA becoming a slave state and everyone working pretty much for nothing but the bare minimum of subsistence income. All disposable income will be disposed of by government taxing and their own frivolous spending. Heck look at prices of anything today and compare them to even 10 years ago. Prices haven't gone up, the value of our dollars has fallen through the floor. And that is accelerating every day. How long can that go on?
How much interest are you making on your savings accounts? Is that even keeping up with inflation? Is saving money making any sense any more?
So who is going to fix this mess? The people who are herded in front of us to vote for because in order to be able to afford to run for office, they had to make promises to SOMEONE in order to be promoted and financed? Has anyone voted into office to replace a supposedly worse candidate made ANY difference in the last 10 years? Do you think your voting for either Donald Duck or Mickey Mouse today is going to change things?
Is voting for a Republican, no matter how bad the offering is, just to keep the Democrats out really what voting is all about? The entire voting process, in my opinion, has just become an expensive play put on to keep us all occupied and entertained while the real power shuffles our attention from one thing to another while trying to stay out of the spotlight themselves while they do what they want to do with us. Do you REALLY think anyone with REAL power would allow us peons to be able to just vote them out of power?
85vette
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In a perfect world Ron Paul would be your president. But it's not a perfect world so he's not. I don't see these elections as democrats vs. republicans but I do lean to the right enough that I could be accused of that. I'm actually registered as NPA because in recent years both parties were pretty embarrassing for the most part. I just don't see how continuing with the democrat logic(or lack thereof)would be in my best interest.
First off, I'm pro second amendment. Democrats are not. The list goes on. Suffice it to say I have many differences with the dems. Therefore I look to the conservative side to see what they offer. I think more along their lines so therefore I am more apt to choose one of them obviously.
I look at it this way. If I can't have what I want I take what I can live with. It seems foolish to me to throw away my vote because I can't have my way. If 5% of the voters did what you did the last presidential election then that is why we got Obama again.
I'm glad the health insurance is working out for you. Mine was going to be $857.00 a month with a deductible. I have a plan now that only cost me around $300.00 monthly but it's not up to the standards Obama requires therefore I get fined $345.00 for each of us.
I doubt anyone that gets elected can get what they promise done but it would be nice to have a president that would at least follow the constitution instead of trying to circumvent it to suit there own desires.
You are right about what we've been doing not working. I think that's why Trump and Carson have garnered so much support. Voters are tired of all the same lies coming from all the same old players. Let's get some new blood in there and see if they can make any difference. I can't see how it could be worse that what we have now or what Hillary or Bernie could bring, do you?
First off, I'm pro second amendment. Democrats are not. The list goes on. Suffice it to say I have many differences with the dems. Therefore I look to the conservative side to see what they offer. I think more along their lines so therefore I am more apt to choose one of them obviously.
I look at it this way. If I can't have what I want I take what I can live with. It seems foolish to me to throw away my vote because I can't have my way. If 5% of the voters did what you did the last presidential election then that is why we got Obama again.
I'm glad the health insurance is working out for you. Mine was going to be $857.00 a month with a deductible. I have a plan now that only cost me around $300.00 monthly but it's not up to the standards Obama requires therefore I get fined $345.00 for each of us.
I doubt anyone that gets elected can get what they promise done but it would be nice to have a president that would at least follow the constitution instead of trying to circumvent it to suit there own desires.
You are right about what we've been doing not working. I think that's why Trump and Carson have garnered so much support. Voters are tired of all the same lies coming from all the same old players. Let's get some new blood in there and see if they can make any difference. I can't see how it could be worse that what we have now or what Hillary or Bernie could bring, do you?
Heck, I don't need a perfect world, I would just like a FAIR one.
Back when I first registered to vote, I registered as a democrat. Simply because it didn't matter to me, as I was going to vote for whoever I wanted, regardless of party. Then when the democrats (particularly Al Gore) embarrassed himself with the hanging chad fiasco, I changed to republican. But I pretty much vote independent of any party.
Honestly, if a person is interested in voting AGAINST someone, it would likely be wise to be registered in the party you least expect to want to have in the white house. So you can vote AGAINST the worst of the worst in the primary.
My belief is that Obama got a second term for a number of reasons. First is that many people apparently liked Romney even less than they did Obama. But of course, this seems to be par for the course with the republicans when they offer up their favorite son. They just cannot seem to produce a presidential candidate that people will rally around. Even holding their noses to vote for the republican has been more than most people could bear, apparently.
Secondly, apparently blacks felt that voting for Obama was required of them. So much so that they became blind to the fact that voting FOR Obama just because he was black is just as prejudicial as someone voting AGAINST him merely because he is black. And possibly quite a few people felt that the first term was somehow a mistake, and the second term would prove that Obama was THEIR man in the white house. I guess they are over that dream by now.
As for throwing away a vote, heck, is voting for someone you really don't want to be president really better than voting for someone you REALLY do want to be president, but there is little hope in that bearing fruit? Perhaps strong evidence that people are just getting sick and tired of both democrats and republicans is a message that needs to be sent.
Yeah, I too would like to see everyone in government get pulled back into compliance with the US Constitution. But my gut feeling is that and public display of the government actually doing that will be to cancel programs that will hurt the most people in order to get US to beg them to stop and stay the course. How long can social security and medicare survive the way things are headed now? I'm on medicare now and I'm planning on starting to take SS next summer, so how would I feel if they suddenly went away? Probably pretty much the same as most other people would feel about having something you were planning on. The argument would be that sacrifices are necessary. Which, of course, will mean everyone sacrificing except the people in office. Sacrifice is always better when it is someone else doing the sacrificing. Thing is, if no one is going to be willing to sacrifice, quite likely it won't be a choice when the SHTF. Obviously the government knows that is coming, so they are spending money as quick as they can, feeling that the hole is so deep now, so why worry about it? What's a few more trillion here or there?
Simple fact of the matter is that no one who would be a legitimate threat to the status quo of the way the government is being run has a snowball's chance in hell of actually getting on the ballot. We certainly have seen "magic votes" show up in local elections, so why would anyone be naive enough to believe that it doesn't happen in national elections? Who is going to audit the votes? Heck, do you even know positively that your vote was counted the way you wanted it to be?
So anyway, no, unless someone is running for office that I truly believe can make a change for the better in this country, I will simply abstain. I have no interest in voting against someone and therefore throw my vote away on someone that I really REALLY do not want to be in office. Done that far too many times in the past, and I am just over that now.
Back when I first registered to vote, I registered as a democrat. Simply because it didn't matter to me, as I was going to vote for whoever I wanted, regardless of party. Then when the democrats (particularly Al Gore) embarrassed himself with the hanging chad fiasco, I changed to republican. But I pretty much vote independent of any party.
Honestly, if a person is interested in voting AGAINST someone, it would likely be wise to be registered in the party you least expect to want to have in the white house. So you can vote AGAINST the worst of the worst in the primary.
My belief is that Obama got a second term for a number of reasons. First is that many people apparently liked Romney even less than they did Obama. But of course, this seems to be par for the course with the republicans when they offer up their favorite son. They just cannot seem to produce a presidential candidate that people will rally around. Even holding their noses to vote for the republican has been more than most people could bear, apparently.
Secondly, apparently blacks felt that voting for Obama was required of them. So much so that they became blind to the fact that voting FOR Obama just because he was black is just as prejudicial as someone voting AGAINST him merely because he is black. And possibly quite a few people felt that the first term was somehow a mistake, and the second term would prove that Obama was THEIR man in the white house. I guess they are over that dream by now.
As for throwing away a vote, heck, is voting for someone you really don't want to be president really better than voting for someone you REALLY do want to be president, but there is little hope in that bearing fruit? Perhaps strong evidence that people are just getting sick and tired of both democrats and republicans is a message that needs to be sent.
Yeah, I too would like to see everyone in government get pulled back into compliance with the US Constitution. But my gut feeling is that and public display of the government actually doing that will be to cancel programs that will hurt the most people in order to get US to beg them to stop and stay the course. How long can social security and medicare survive the way things are headed now? I'm on medicare now and I'm planning on starting to take SS next summer, so how would I feel if they suddenly went away? Probably pretty much the same as most other people would feel about having something you were planning on. The argument would be that sacrifices are necessary. Which, of course, will mean everyone sacrificing except the people in office. Sacrifice is always better when it is someone else doing the sacrificing. Thing is, if no one is going to be willing to sacrifice, quite likely it won't be a choice when the SHTF. Obviously the government knows that is coming, so they are spending money as quick as they can, feeling that the hole is so deep now, so why worry about it? What's a few more trillion here or there?
Simple fact of the matter is that no one who would be a legitimate threat to the status quo of the way the government is being run has a snowball's chance in hell of actually getting on the ballot. We certainly have seen "magic votes" show up in local elections, so why would anyone be naive enough to believe that it doesn't happen in national elections? Who is going to audit the votes? Heck, do you even know positively that your vote was counted the way you wanted it to be?
So anyway, no, unless someone is running for office that I truly believe can make a change for the better in this country, I will simply abstain. I have no interest in voting against someone and therefore throw my vote away on someone that I really REALLY do not want to be in office. Done that far too many times in the past, and I am just over that now.
And you do understand, of course, that your vote wasn't even counted? That's right. You cannot just write in anyone's name on the ballot sheet blank that says "write in". A person has to be approved in order to be considered a legitimate write-in candidate. Sort of makes you wonder why they passed that sort of law, doesn't it?
And you do understand, of course, that your vote wasn't even counted? That's right. You cannot just write in anyone's name on the ballot sheet blank that says "write in". A person has to be approved in order to be considered a legitimate write-in candidate. Sort of makes you wonder why they passed that sort of law, doesn't it?
Maybe true but the choice was an existing liberal and a liberal Republican ,not much difference .
The country could change if people just voted starting with the primary's
Oh it's definitely true. At least here. When the local newspaper wrote an article on the election results, there were no votes showing for Ron Paul. So I contacted the supervisor of elections to find out what I indicated above. Ron Paul was not an *approved* write-in candidate.
So much for the freedom to vote for whoever the heck you want to.