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Got the Contributing Memberships stuff finally worked out and made up a thread as a sort of "How-To" to help people figure out how to participate. So if you need help figuring it out, here's the thread you need to take a look at -> http://www.corvetteflorida.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3581 Thank you, everyone! Rich Z.
Xtreme Motorsports
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Having $1k dollar in parts taken from you is definitely worthy of calling the cops and filing a police report. It's called stealing actually... Please though, continue to make retarded posts that reflect you having only 1/4 of an active brain some more. You're a ****ing idiot. Anytime anyone needs a good laugh they can pretty much just follow you around this forum and read what you say. You A. Have no idea what you are talking about and B. Have no ****ing reason to talk about it.
Seriously GTFO.
And it's BURGER you ****ing twat. :lmao:
It wouldn't hurt to clean up all the trash talking in this thread ya know.
But I'm telling ya, if someone makes a stupid comment, I'm just going to tell them it's a stupid comment.
Two wrongs don't make a right, fella..... My request was directed to all whose feet fit the shoe.
I called the police and talked to an investigator (I believe that was his title) who called Chris after he didn't ship my parts when he said he would.
Chris shipped my parts shortly after the investigator spoke to him.
Ok well, I got the UDP and MSD wires today, the wires are absolutely covered in gunk. Chris told me Friday that the parts had shipped and that my wires, udp, fuel rails and rocker arms were in the box. As of today I know that he was officially lying.
I did not however receive my Trunion Rocker Arms which I paid $150 for or stock LS2 Fuel Rails. Which he said were in the box. UPS reflected him dropping the box off in the afternoon yesterday, not on Friday like he said. Without a doubt he lied about the contents of the box, although he did throw two dish towels in the box....I asked Chris numerous times about installing the Rockers and he said they did, then when I told him I was taking the valve cover off to check, he said he wasn't sure, and would check the shop, which he "did" and said "oops, forgot to put them in, I will send them". I did not receive them. I can only assume (see assume) that he never bought them and simply didn't think i would check. Based off his prior actions I wouldn't disregard that as being a ridiculous claim, and hope you won't.
O and I'm just waiting for the investigator to give me a call back so I can talk about criminal charges and civil suit etc.
And I txtd Chris asking where the other stuff that was supposed to be in the box was at and he didn't answer.
Personally, I want my valve covers, the Trunion upgrade I paid for, Fuel rails and stock injectors. As far as I know of course, that's hoping that the correct cam is in. I told him awhile ago that I wouldn't worry about the $600 dollars he owed me in rent a car money (his first $250 check bounced, and he never sent the other $350) if the car was running good and everything was as it should be with the car, since he "upgraded" my fuel rails and injectors. If this goes civil, I will be seeking damages. I want the stock parts because I have every stock part for my car in case I need to return it as such or if something breaks, and of course...they're my parts...who cares why I want them?
I also told him if he didn't have the the rockers to just send a check for the $150 that I paid (that wouldn't bounce). Those and the fuel rails are my main concern at this time.
I made a mistake by not just taking him to court originally. I highly recommend anyone think twice before taking their cars to Chris, as I have slowly uncovered more and more lies Chris has fed me as well as parts on my car that aren't mine. I want nothing to do with Chris and unfortunately he is leaving me in a position to where I must continue to deal with him. I have verifiable proof that he has lied to me numerous times, even his own admission. I was strung along for awhile because I really wanted to give someone a chance, because they sited family and seemed genuine. O well, most people would attest that I am quite the patient person. Well, wasted time is wasted time.
There is a laundry list of wrong doings that have occurred. I have emails, txts and statements that support anything and everything that has gone on with my situation. Like I said be weary, and unfortunately I cannot recommend Xtreme Motorsports to anyone.
Chris shipped my parts shortly after the investigator spoke to him.
Ok well, I got the UDP and MSD wires today, the wires are absolutely covered in gunk. Chris told me Friday that the parts had shipped and that my wires, udp, fuel rails and rocker arms were in the box. As of today I know that he was officially lying.
I did not however receive my Trunion Rocker Arms which I paid $150 for or stock LS2 Fuel Rails. Which he said were in the box. UPS reflected him dropping the box off in the afternoon yesterday, not on Friday like he said. Without a doubt he lied about the contents of the box, although he did throw two dish towels in the box....I asked Chris numerous times about installing the Rockers and he said they did, then when I told him I was taking the valve cover off to check, he said he wasn't sure, and would check the shop, which he "did" and said "oops, forgot to put them in, I will send them". I did not receive them. I can only assume (see assume) that he never bought them and simply didn't think i would check. Based off his prior actions I wouldn't disregard that as being a ridiculous claim, and hope you won't.
O and I'm just waiting for the investigator to give me a call back so I can talk about criminal charges and civil suit etc.
And I txtd Chris asking where the other stuff that was supposed to be in the box was at and he didn't answer.
Personally, I want my valve covers, the Trunion upgrade I paid for, Fuel rails and stock injectors. As far as I know of course, that's hoping that the correct cam is in. I told him awhile ago that I wouldn't worry about the $600 dollars he owed me in rent a car money (his first $250 check bounced, and he never sent the other $350) if the car was running good and everything was as it should be with the car, since he "upgraded" my fuel rails and injectors. If this goes civil, I will be seeking damages. I want the stock parts because I have every stock part for my car in case I need to return it as such or if something breaks, and of course...they're my parts...who cares why I want them?
I also told him if he didn't have the the rockers to just send a check for the $150 that I paid (that wouldn't bounce). Those and the fuel rails are my main concern at this time.
I made a mistake by not just taking him to court originally. I highly recommend anyone think twice before taking their cars to Chris, as I have slowly uncovered more and more lies Chris has fed me as well as parts on my car that aren't mine. I want nothing to do with Chris and unfortunately he is leaving me in a position to where I must continue to deal with him. I have verifiable proof that he has lied to me numerous times, even his own admission. I was strung along for awhile because I really wanted to give someone a chance, because they sited family and seemed genuine. O well, most people would attest that I am quite the patient person. Well, wasted time is wasted time.
There is a laundry list of wrong doings that have occurred. I have emails, txts and statements that support anything and everything that has gone on with my situation. Like I said be weary, and unfortunately I cannot recommend Xtreme Motorsports to anyone.
I agree.
gsdave
engineer
Why? Several people have been following this thread with interest and all Fatbum did was give the latest update.
Lou G
New member
I agree. I would like to know how this turns out.
Rich is getting his car worked on there.
I hope to God he doesn't run into these problems.
Sorry, but I plan on locked threads being rather rare on this site. As long as there is an XtremeMotorsports and they have customers' cars to work on, then the information in this thread can always have the possibility of being added to.
Hopefully in a positive sense from here on out.
Hopefully in a positive sense from here on out.
TY both.
In all honest, my main hope is to stop someone from running into the same issues I did. If I had known all of the bad press out there before I even went I would never have went, but it was NEVER posted. I searched and searched and never found anything.
If you google Xtreme Motorsports Blountstown or Xtreme Motorsports Chris Harwood you will see everything I have been through and people can discern for themselves what I went through. Do you think I would call the frickin police if my hand wasn't virtually forced? I let the guy lie to me and take over 6 MONTHS to fix my car. The only reason he began to actually get it done is because I reported him to the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Affairs who sent him a notice and informed me he was unlicensed.
He lied and lied and lied to me. Nothing but huge games with what was going on. Even the day he actually bought my motor he lied to me about already having someone on the way to pick it up.
I haven't had his tune pulled down to make sure everything is ok in that regard so I can't say anything negative about it other then in gear change it does some weird surging and on deceleration it acts a little funny but A/Frs seem in check and I have gone WOT now 3 times through a few gears to make sure it was transitioning and everything seemed fine. The motors got over 500 miles on it now.
Chris acted like he did me a favor by replacing my motor. He said he gave me the heads to compensate me for the time he lied etc, but it makes no sense as to why he would go to the trouble of adding those heads but then be shady about not installing parts or used junk. I still have stock stuff missing and brand new parts I never saw that should be on my car.
I'll also say this: Every time Chris asked for more time because of x or y reason or called me to explain something I was ALWAYS willing to work stuff out with him. He got extensions sometimes because I knew he was going to ask anyway.
I should have figured after the first time I caught him in a lie (when he said my car was done before the motor blew up and I made the 3 hour drive with my 3 month old baby and wife to pick up the car, and ended up working on the car with Justin for 6 hours and then drove home without my car because he didn't recognize that the valve seals he gave "someone else" to install weren't the right ones. And its not that something was wrong. None of the accessories were even on the car, the car wasn't tuned, headers weren't on, I mean wtf?
Also, his sole employee according to Justins statements and Jordans statements is Justin, at least at the time they made them but Chris always says "my guys at the shop" "employees" almost as if he is giving a false impression of success. He referred to Jordan as his "GTO guy" but Jordan blatantly denies this claim and even on ls1gto.com slams Xtreme Motorsports. He has told me he is "so busy" with "all the cars" up at the shop, but locals say they hardly see the sheer amount he alludes too. Take that with some salt because that isn't first hand, but I'm willing to trust them over what Chris says.
What happened to the Yellow Firebird that was at the shop? Anyone want to take a guess as to what happened there?
I got turned and burned for months. I do NOT want it to happen to someone else. He did some good little things to try and make up for the bad, but the shear amount and severity of the bad outweighs any good. If he wasn't going to send my parts or refund the money I paid for after the police called him, he never will. Him being put into a corner and sending what he obviously did have shows that he didn't actually have the other parts he said he ordered with my money or my fuel rails, or he would have sent them, and I never would have had to make that post. I would also never have to contact the police again or the states attorney (or prosecutor, whoevers number the investigator gave me).
Let me also say that I appreciate your willingness to keep this open Rich despite you having your car in their possession. I don't see eye to eye with you very often, but all in all I know your character isn't bad, and this just reinforces that.
Like I said, all I want to do is help someone else from being ****ed for months. I could have sued him, had the court give me my cut from his assets and had a forged 402 in my car right now built and tuned by the best and in a faster time. But I was good hearted and wanted to give him the chance. If my adamant initial and random intermittent support wasn't enough evidence that I had hope and wasn't out to get Chris then nothing will change your mind, but I have been absolutely fair with my statements regarding his "operation".
Good luck to you Rich.
Chris having my car at his shop is really irrelevant to my decision to keep this thread open. Quite frankly, ANY business that is ongoing and listed here would be treated the same way. Unless there is a very good reason to close a thread, no matter who it is about, then it will remain open. I know the mods are aware of my opinion on this matter.
I believe all anyone really wants, is to be treated fairly and honestly by the people they entrust their car and money to. That is what this forum is for. To provide incentive for that to take place by providing a place where INFORMATION, both positive and negative, can be aired and problems worked out between the parties involved when things go awry.
I believe Chris has a lot of satisfied and happy customers. I also believe he has some that are not quite so satisfied nor quite so happy. That is probably true for nearly all businesses. Hopefully their goal is to try to make the proportionate number of happy customers WAY more than that of the unhappy ones. To try to go the other way is pretty nonsensical if they intend to stay in business, as the grapevine in the small world of Corvette owners is very unforgiving.
I believe Chris has some issues that need to be resolved. He has a lack of manpower to get everything done in a timely fashion when he may bite off more commitments than he can chew. I believe timely correspondence (phone, email, etc.) needs a lot of improvement. But this is also tied to the manpower problem listed above. Quite simply, there are only so many hours in a day, and unfortunately correspondence CAN impact the amount of time he has available to turn wrenches. I have seen first hand that sometimes one has to take priority over the other. And I also believe he needs to have more of his work done on a contractual basis with all details spelled out in writing so there is no mistake nor misunderstanding about what is expected from both parties. He is not the first person in the world to get bit in the ass by something like this, and certainly won't be the last.
Personally, I am hopeful that Chris can make progress in the issues that can negatively affect his reputation and put them behind him quickly. No, it's not going to be easy, but HE is the only one who can make that effort. It takes a hell of a lot of commitment and hard work to make a thriving and successful business these days. Quite frankly, I truly hope he has the willpower to succeed.
Shadow
New member
I agree:thumbsup:
It needs to stay open. Doing otherwise would be a great disservice to our members.
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In all honest, my main hope is to stop someone from running into the same issues I did. If I had known all of the bad press out there before I even went I would never have went, but it was NEVER posted. I searched and searched and never found anything.
Exactly! Thats why it's open. For good or bad, if the info is not reported somewhere, no one will no. If you don't know, you can't make an informed decision.
...The only reason he began to actually get it done is because I reported him to the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Affairs who sent him a notice and informed me he was unlicensed...
Do you know if they took any other action?
...Also, his sole employee according to Justins statements and Jordans statements is Justin, at least at the time they made them but Chris always says "my guys at the shop" "employees" almost as if he is giving a false impression of success...
Wait a minute. Did he ever say the word "EMPLOYEES?" If not, there's no deception there:shrug01:If the guy at the shop is an employee, and lets say someone comes in occasionally to assist as a part timer or for free, then it's "my guys at the shop."
I have a lot of people working "with" me. Not one (yet) works "for" me. Reason?
Taxes
Liability (very small concern-have insurance for tha chit!)
Pay (I can pay them more as "subcontractors" than I can as "employees:thumbsup:" and they have more tax write offs individually to offset pay:dancer01: win-win for everyone)
Finally, now with O's new "health reform", I'm not sure I could afford the insurance:nonod:
If someone asks, we have a "team", and in the most REAL SENSE of the word, we ARE A TEAM:thumbsup:" Without them, I wouldn't be able to get most of what we do, done, and vice versa. I put up with the clients bullchit and do what an admin has to do (along with my fair share of the grunt work as well), and we all compliment each others talents and abilities.
Not to get off track, but Chris may be in the same boat. IF he said "employee" that's a whole different ballgame. If he said "my guys" so what?:shrug01: I say it all the time.
Lets not add more to this than there is
He referred to Jordan as his "GTO guy" but Jordan blatantly denies this claim and even on ls1gto.com slams Xtreme Motorsports. He has told me he is "so busy" with "all the cars" up at the shop, but locals say they hardly see the sheer amount he alludes too. Take that with some salt because that isn't first hand, but I'm willing to trust them over what Chris says.
COuld be, but beware of sourgrapes as well. Makes a really chitty tasting "whine"
What happened to the Yellow Firebird that was at the shop? Anyone want to take a guess as to what happened there?
Nope!
As I've said here before. We deal with FACTS!
If you "know" for sure what happened with it, please feel free to post up. Otherwise, it has no bearing on YOUR matter, nor does the speculation belong here:NoNo: To do so, you walk a very fine line between FREE SPEECH and LIABLE.
I got turned and burned for months. I do NOT want it to happen to someone else. He did some good little things to try and make up for the bad, but the shear amount and severity of the bad outweighs any good. If he wasn't going to send my parts or refund the money I paid for after the police called him, he never will. Him being put into a corner and sending what he obviously did have shows that he didn't actually have the other parts he said he ordered with my money or my fuel rails, or he would have sent them, and I never would have had to make that post. I would also never have to contact the police again or the states attorney (or prosecutor, whoevers number the investigator gave me).
The term "Prosecutor" + "States Attorney" may be used interchangably when discussing the chief charging agent within the county or jurisdiction.
What you've posted about your problems I'm sure have assisted others with thier decisions as to where to take thier car.
Thank you:yesnod:
Let me also say that I appreciate your willingness to keep this open Rich despite you having your car in their possession. I don't see eye to eye with you very often, but all in all I know your character isn't bad, and this just reinforces that.
"not bad?":lmao::lmao: I think that's good, right Rich?:shrug01::lmao:
Like I said, all I want to do is help someone else from being ****ed for months. I could have sued him, had the court give me my cut from his assets and had a forged 402 in my car right now built and tuned by the best and in a faster time.
Told ya that months ago
But I was good hearted and wanted to give him the chance.
What's that saying? Oh yeah. Good Guys Finish Last:lmao:Thank God it's not really true!
If my adamant initial and random intermittent support wasn't enough evidence that I had hope and wasn't out to get Chris then nothing will change your mind, but I have been absolutely fair with my statements regarding his "operation".
You started out a little rough, but once you settled down and got down to facts and figures, you were right on target:thumbsup:
Good luck to you Rich.
Keep us informed on the matter please:thumbsup:
Chris having my car at his shop is really irrelevant to my decision to keep this thread open. Quite frankly, ANY business that is ongoing and listed here would be treated the same way. Unless there is a very good reason to close a thread, no matter who it is about, then it will remain open. I know the mods are aware of my opinion on this matter.
YEP, and in 100% agreement with it!:thumbsupand no, we don't see eye to eye either...see
I believe all anyone really wants, is to be treated fairly and honestly by the people they entrust their car and money to. That is what this forum is for. To provide incentive for that to take place by providing a place where INFORMATION, both positive and negative, can be aired and problems worked out between the parties involved when things go awry.
I believe Chris has a lot of satisfied and happy customers. I also believe he has some that are not quite so satisfied nor quite so happy. That is probably true for nearly all businesses. Hopefully their goal is to try to make the proportionate number of happy customers WAY more than that of the unhappy ones. To try to go the other way is pretty nonsensical if they intend to stay in business, as the grapevine in the small world of Corvette owners is very unforgiving.
I believe Chris has some issues that need to be resolved. He has a lack of manpower to get everything done in a timely fashion when he may bite off more commitments than he can chew. I believe timely correspondence (phone, email, etc.) needs a lot of improvement. But this is also tied to the manpower problem listed above. Quite simply, there are only so many hours in a day, and unfortunately correspondence CAN impact the amount of time he has available to turn wrenches. I have seen first hand that sometimes one has to take priority over the other. And I also believe he needs to have more of his work done on a contractual basis with all details spelled out in writing so there is no mistake nor misunderstanding about what is expected from both parties. He is not the first person in the world to get bit in the ass by something like this, and certainly won't be the last.
Personally, I am hopeful that Chris can make progress in the issues that can negatively affect his reputation and put them behind him quickly. No, it's not going to be easy, but HE is the only one who can make that effort. It takes a hell of a lot of commitment and hard work to make a thriving and successful business these days. Quite frankly, I truly hope he has the willpower to succeed.
Well said Rich:thumbsup::thumbsup:
I think we know the work he's capable of.
But take it from someone whose BTDT (not in the automotive world, but business just the same!), he CAN recover...if he WANT's TOO!
He may need to take in a partner. Someone known and respected in the community, and make it known that he/she is there to "tighten up" the ship:yesnod:
He may have to reduce his service rates to get busienss back in the door, and really do what he has to do to prove himself to the Vette community...but it CAN be done!
Manpower, money, time....all intertwine to become a major MOFO when you're just starting out. And if you've never ran a business (real business-not Am-freakin'-way or some chit!) then you have no idea how many little PITA ordinances, laws and administrative "guidelines", many designed to do nothing more than increase the State and county coffers!, are out there that can and will bite you in the azz!!!:thumbsdown::thumbsdown:
Good luck to the OP in getting it all worked out.
Good luck to Rich for getting his project finished and home again.
and
Good luck to Chris in getting his life (business and personal) back in order (as I said bro-BTDT!) and making a succesful and profitable business out of Xtreme and a good life for he and his family:thumbsup::dancer01:
And thanks Rich for the section to aire these issues and keeping an open mind enough not to let friendship and business rule the roost as is done some places.
:thumbsup::thumbsup:
Someoneyoushouldknow
victim #1
I hope this stays open for a long time. I am so sick of walking on eggshells with my fingers crossed hoping that my car will be finished, I listened to his promises and nothing he has said has been true. Good luck to all.
Shadow
New member
Unless there's a valid reason, it never closes....it jsut dissapears off into old threadom
Someoneyoushouldknow
victim #1
Well with the continuing issues and additional time he is taking to resolve issues it won't get lost any time soon.
Shadow
New member
Agreed
Bottom line Shadow, Chris has chosen his words to give a false impression of something numerous times. If you want to find an obscure way to justify his word usage that's fine with me. I spent at least 30 hours there personally and I quoted it for a reason. Not being argumentative, just saying, you went into that whole spiel after asking a quite relative question.
As for Jordan, Jordan was having a 427ci built for him at Chris' shop. Chris showed it to me and told me it was a 427ci. Some time later Jordan has a 418ci in his car and calls me telling me Chris had lied about it being a 418ci, he tells me to watch out because he didn't want to see me screwed, this was 3 months before I got my car back, low and behold I'm missing parts and the only way to get a hold of Chris is through the Police dept. He can cry and make up whatever excuses/lies he wants. Facts of the matter are that he is a thief and a liar, proven over and over again with cold hard facts. Chris at first denied that he was ever going to have a 427ci to my face, but when I mentioned that he had already showed it to me, he changed his story and said that Jordan's dad didn't want him to have all that extra power from a 427ci...
As for Jordan, Jordan was having a 427ci built for him at Chris' shop. Chris showed it to me and told me it was a 427ci. Some time later Jordan has a 418ci in his car and calls me telling me Chris had lied about it being a 418ci, he tells me to watch out because he didn't want to see me screwed, this was 3 months before I got my car back, low and behold I'm missing parts and the only way to get a hold of Chris is through the Police dept. He can cry and make up whatever excuses/lies he wants. Facts of the matter are that he is a thief and a liar, proven over and over again with cold hard facts. Chris at first denied that he was ever going to have a 427ci to my face, but when I mentioned that he had already showed it to me, he changed his story and said that Jordan's dad didn't want him to have all that extra power from a 427ci...
Shadow
New member
:coffee1:
Look Junior, I'm not disagreeing with you so calm down.:itsok:
If you'd taken the time to read and comprehend the entire response, not just cherry pick what you didn't agree with, you'd have seen that!
I'm not trying to justify his "word usage." I have no need to do so and there's certainly no benefit (to me anyway) in doing so.
That "spiel" was to give you a less biased alternative to his comments, based on experience. While I'm sure your correct, there's almost always another side.
But you know... :nanana:
This:
is "speculation" done in a veiled attempt to fuel your own fire.
We are not in the "guessing" business here.
This section deals with fact.
You've done well posting facts. Let's keep it that way. :thumbsup::thumbsup:
We are not going to get into someone elses battle in this thread without facts...period.
Now IMO, those are facts based upon 1st hand knowledge:thumbsup: And you're right, it doesn't make sense.:thumbsdown:
Get this mess taken care of.