• Got the Contributing Memberships stuff finally worked out and made up a thread as a sort of "How-To" to help people figure out how to participate. So if you need help figuring it out, here's the thread you need to take a look at -> http://www.corvetteflorida.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3581 Thank you, everyone! Rich Z.

Xtreme Motorsports

Dave,

Just to be fair, I went back and reviewed all pages of the thread (Fatbums welcome thread that went south).

He made his complaint, stated his opinion, gave some details and let it go.

When you countered, he did what he does best...became defensive:lmao:

After that, there were a few more back and forth posts between you and he, then Rich moved it to the BOI.

Sounds pretty status quo to me:thumbsup:

Unfortunately, in this one, he started out badmouthing a shop but giving essentially no details:(

Had to get that straightened out before we could move forward.

Either way, it looks (God I hope!) like the 2 of them may have reached some agreement and things will get worked out?
 
Well, to be honest, I just gave up on the other thread because I've read FB's posts before and no one seemed to care that he was bashing a good shop. From my understanding his only complaint to the other shop was that it didn't make enough power for what he believed it should. I am confident that if FB had discovered the things in the photos that XTREME posted in FB's intro thread and brought them to Brad's attention, he would have offered to fix them. Brad has a car that is faster and built as well or better than probably anything on this site, so I know the quality of work he does.

Just as much as it bothers loyal customers of XTREME, it bothers me to hear another shop unfairly bashed. That's all I'm trying to say.
 
gsdave said:
Well, to be honest, I just gave up on the other thread because I've read FB's posts before and no one seemed to care that he was bashing a good shop. From my understanding his only complaint to the other shop was that it didn't make enough power for what he believed it should. I am confident that if FB had discovered the things in the photos that XTREME posted in FB's intro thread and brought them to Brad's attention, he would have offered to fix them. Brad has a car that is faster and built as well or better than probably anything on this site, so I know the quality of work he does.

Just as much as it bothers loyal customers of XTREME, it bothers me to hear another shop unfairly bashed. That's all I'm trying to say.
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I understand:thumbsup: and it's all good. We all have a natural tendency to support and defend friends and businesses/people we're satisfied with.

My position here is to try to remain neutral, make sure that things stay civil, and that facts more than feelings, are brought to light.

I'm not a loyal customer of XTREME, I don't know Chris personally and have never had my car(s) at his shop (I'm in Tampa and he's not).
I've spoken with him once or twice on the phone and that's all. Seems like a decent guy whose trying to do the right thing.:thumbsup:

I've never heard of XXXmotorsports or whomever the other shop was that was referenced, so I have no basis for an opinion.

You may be 100% correct regarding your friends shop. He may have made them right if brought to his attention. Unfortunately, we'll never know for sure since that didn't happen on FB's part.

Since the complaint was "relatively" informative and there was limited discussion over the matter which would sent the thread off topic, I let it go.

I don't really think that no one "cared." I think it was more a matter or no one knew.

To further clarify.

If I had to venture a "guess" as to why "no one seemed to care" about the complaint relative to the other shop, my "guess" would be that not that like myself, not that many people know who they are.

As mentioned, I've never heard of them good or bad. Since there doesn't seem to be a lot of people on here from that area of the state, and as far as I know, they're not a site sponsor (do they even post here?), thier relative obcurity is understandable. As such, there's no one to defend them other than youself and no one who knows thier capabilities and reliability.

Feel free to bring them on board as well as other vette owners and enthusiasts in your area to support them:thumbsup::dancer01:
 
As i stated before, maybe elsewhere, i did give them the opportunity to fix my car, i told john at xxx that something was wrong and he blatantly denied it and told me to get over it. John and brad are two seperate people and worked two different sides Of that shop, brad works Ford. I havent recieved a dime from either john or brad for the costs of the repairs. John no longer works there and brad told me in an email it was because brad was tired of dealing with issues like these with john. He later denies that on an open for however, but i have the emails.

Chris promised he would get back to me yesterday and didnt (this is one of the reoccuring issues). He is supposed to be working on my car next week but no dates.

He didnt respond back today either when i messaged him.

Another thing, someone mentioned deaths in chris' family well, chris NEVER told me any of that was goin on, so i was i supposed to be underatanding to that. He never once mentioned it to me, dont you think if things were going to be delayed that you should let your customer know?
 
It wasnt unfair to bash xxx, the pictures are there that show the outrageous install work, there have been other local GTO guys who have had their cars tuned like garbage and transmissions get jackes up by taking their cars to John and again THIS is why he doesnt work there anymore.

If i had a ford i would let brad work on it, he even changed the name of the shop.
 
Well, as I said before, all the things you have had happen are the reasons I do my own mechanical work. They're the reasons I decided to do my own tuning as well. If something breaks, I only have myself to blame. Oddly enough, nothing has ever broken after I've modified it.

I really feel bad that you've had such problems with your car and hope the issues finally get resolved.
 
gsdave said:
Well, as I said before, all the things you have had happen are the reasons I do my own mechanical work. They're the reasons I decided to do my own tuning as well. If something breaks, I only have myself to blame. Oddly enough, nothing has ever broken after I've modified it.

I really feel bad that you've had such problems with your car and hope the issues finally get resolved.
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You know brother, you're right:thumbsup:

I wish I had the:

-Tools
-skillz
-Place

to work on my own cars! I'd do it. I'd take them to a shop in an emergency or if i was totally, 100% convinced that they could do the job (and i didn't want to tackle it!)

Gregg of Anti-Venom and Andreh Alito of Insty Tune are on my short list of go to types in the area:thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
Dan,

Just as a suggestion and to keep things clean and straight here, if you want to complain about another shop, please start another thread and leave them out of this one.

If everyone will adhere to this, it will make this whole Charlie Foxtrot MUCH easier to follow.:thumbsup:
 
gsdave said:
Well, as I said before, all the things you have had happen are the reasons I do my own mechanical work. They're the reasons I decided to do my own tuning as well. If something breaks, I only have myself to blame. Oddly enough, nothing has ever broken after I've modified it.

I really feel bad that you've had such problems with your car and hope the issues finally get resolved.
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I've never seemed to botch anything up myself either, I think it has to do with the amount of complaceny that you don't have when you work on your own car, and that it increases your own attention to detail.

I hope so as well, and in another catastrophy that is my life, I had to go to the ER today for spraining my ankle, so that's another thing on my long list of ailments.
 
On the 23rd Chris promised to get back to me about my car. He never did.

He has not returned phone calls or emails. I have no clue what the status of my car is.
 
Fatbum said:
On the 23rd Chris promised to get back to me about my car. He never did.

He has not returned phone calls or emails. I have no clue what the status of my car is.
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:nonod::nonod:

Sorry to hear this is still hanging out there:thumbsdown:
 
Shadow said:
:nonod::nonod:

Sorry to hear this is still hanging out there:thumbsdown:
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Not knowing is the worst part. I don't know how to act on a situation when I don't know what the situation is.

Chris said he "canceled" his annual vacation time this week to work on my car and was getting outside help to finish my car. He said he promised he would get back to me that day about where he was on the car and a finalized date and plan, and never got back to me. I can't comprehend how after so much difficulty you could just renig on something you literally promised like that. It's going to be Tuesday and I don't know what is going on.

He only messaged back to me on the 23rd via texting/email a couple times and that was all I could get out of him. It takes 5 seconds to email, txt or call someone back. That is why everything he does seems fishy and as if he has been lying the whole time. Why wouldn't a business owner email back? I didn't "bother" him for 5 days about it even though he didn't get back to me, well he said this week.

I can't go up there and check on the progress because he won't respond back to me so I can setup a date. Maybe he ignores me because he hasn't worked on the car at all and doesn't want me to see this.

Either way, its absolute bull**** that he is continuing to ignore me on the phone, emails and on here. They have time to post pictures of other cars, but not enough time to say "hey, just wanted to let you know X, Y and Z."

It's unacceptable.
 
I almost feel like this is a joke to Chris.

He never comes through with what he says, and he is intentionally ignoring me. INTENTIONALLY being the keyword. He told me he was going to finish my car, which is fine, but then he blocks all communication, the expected date of completion passes and he never responds and continues to ignore me. I should not be having to go through this. All I need is the communication!



Both Kelly and Chris have logged in and haven't had the decensy to at least PM me a status.

I have emailed Chris a statement requesting my car be done within 10 days from now (barring any communication between the two of us that would alter that) or monetary reimbursement for the parts, labor and of course, my car.

3 months is not unreasonable, not with this lack of communication. I am more then willing to work with Chris, but Chris is obviously not willing to either put forth the effort to do the same.
 
I have already contacted the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Affairs for help. They act as mediators first and foremost in matters like these, and they make sure a business is acting in accordance with the law.

Sad that I am having to do this, but I'm getting screwed over here so what are you gonna do? The fact is I don't even know if my car has been worked on at all because Chris has refused to post any pictures of my car even though I've asked. He hasn't told me the name of the place he purchased the motor from so I can verify its purchase (although the original reason was that I just curious) and he won't tell me who his business is insured under. He claimed these things were personal info. I don't know if its true, but things don't add up. I have worked every holiday since Thanksgiving, countless weekends and have been diagnosed with NA liver disease since my car has been there. On top of that I couldn't walk for two days because the severity of my sprain, which of course, I ended up chipping a bone and due to the sheer amount of times I have done this, the doc says it will be a chronic problem for the rest of my life because the ligaments are that damaged. I just have too many issues going on in my life to be dealing with this car issue on top of all that. This should not have been that big of a deal, and it is, and the only response I ever get if I get one is "I'm sick", then no responses.

Hopefully everything works out with the DOACA involved. If not, then there are more steps I can take after that.
 
DOAC is an administrative agency. Paper pushers. The only thing that matters to them is how much they can squeeze out of a business in fines::thumbsdown:

To consider them a "real" consumer affairs agency is a joke at best.

They'll check his paperwork, fine him as appropriate, and "maybe" shut him down until he's properly licensed.
And with the right attorney, that won't even happen.

You want your car back?

Stop whining, take a f**king flat bed, and go get it!!

At this point, it really doesn't matter whether or not he has or is going to work on it. Unless it's apart when I arrived, it'd be on a flat bed headed somewhere else. If it was, I might even gather all the pieces and leave anyway, but that's a decision you would need to make upon arrival.

From there, go to the Clerk of Court in the county where the incident has occurred and file your civil litigation paperwork. Have it served by the Sheriff and let the case move forward through the civil court channels.

It will go to mediation first. You should be able to reach a monetary settlement at that time (if he's smart about it).

If not, it will progress forward to an actual court hearing. Let the judge or magistrate decide.

If appropriate criminal charges are present, file them as well, concurrent to the civil case.

And there you have it. Very simple, clean, relatively quick!

I truly don't want to see any of the above occur, but you coming on here daily and saying the same thing, is NOT going to get your car finished or back in your hands.

The ball is now in your court and it's up to you.

Either lead, follow, or get out of the way!

But stop complaining...it's not going to repair the problem!

Good luck to all parties involved. Let us know how it finally turns out please.

Happy New Year.
 
The impression that the guy at the DOAC gave me is quite different then the impression you have.

I don't know how many times I have to say it to make you understand, but Chris won't answer his phone for me to even know if he is AT HIS ****ING SHOP.

So I'm going to spend money on a flatbed, drive 2.5-3 hours to go pick up a car that I may not even be able to get too? If I had followed your advice I would be wasting my money and time because often times no one is even at the shop, I know this for two reasons. How can you not comprehend this? My only point of saying what I was going through is that I'm tired of hearing "I have a cold" as a ****ing excuse as to why he isn't working on my car and "the weekend is for my family". If he wants his business to stay open, he needs to do what is right. How many times do you think I have heard Chris say "I've been out all week" and Justin is on vacation, so do you want me to break in to his shop, find a motor that may or may not be there, because the insurance claim was taken out on my car (SUPPOSEDLY).

You suggested to start this thread to apply pressure and to make him realize what was going on. I posted updates, a lack of his communication IS in an update it, other things like the fact that he finally texted me back...but said "I promise I'll call you tonight" and that never happens is an update. I don't think this will magically make my car come back to me, that is why I am going other routes.

I am making an EFFORT. I alone am making an effort, not Chris, you don't see him on here saying ANYTHING. I don't hear my phone ringing explaining to me wtf is going on.

I just want my car back the way it should be. Instead of chastising me, why don't you call Chris?

You suggest the DOAC, and then criticize my use of them publicly? WTF kind of ego trip are you on?



Shadow said:
DOAC is an administrative agency. Paper pushers. The only thing that matters to them is how much they can squeeze out of a business in fines::thumbsdown:

To consider them a "real" consumer affairs agency is a joke at best.

They'll check his paperwork, fine him as appropriate, and "maybe" shut him down until he's properly licensed.
And with the right attorney, that won't even happen.

You want your car back?

Stop whining, take a f**king flat bed, and go get it!!

At this point, it really doesn't matter whether or not he has or is going to work on it. Unless it's apart when I arrived, it'd be on a flat bed headed somewhere else. If it was, I might even gather all the pieces and leave anyway, but that's a decision you would need to make upon arrival.

From there, go to the Clerk of Court in the county where the incident has occurred and file your civil litigation paperwork. Have it served by the Sheriff and let the case move forward through the civil court channels.

It will go to mediation first. You should be able to reach a monetary settlement at that time (if he's smart about it).

If not, it will progress forward to an actual court hearing. Let the judge or magistrate decide.

If appropriate criminal charges are present, file them as well, concurrent to the civil case.

And there you have it. Very simple, clean, relatively quick!

I truly don't want to see any of the above occur, but you coming on here daily and saying the same thing, is NOT going to get your car finished or back in your hands.

The ball is now in your court and it's up to you.

Either lead, follow, or get out of the way!

But stop complaining...it's not going to repair the problem!

Good luck to all parties involved. Let us know how it finally turns out please.

Happy New Year.
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