• Got the Contributing Memberships stuff finally worked out and made up a thread as a sort of "How-To" to help people figure out how to participate. So if you need help figuring it out, here's the thread you need to take a look at -> http://www.corvetteflorida.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3581 Thank you, everyone! Rich Z.

427 engine (part 2) - RHS block

RevXtreme 1 said:
I've been tuning & modding GM cars for 6 years and the only time a warranty was canceled was when a C6 owner changed is own spark plugs at Cox chev here in Bradenton.

Otherwise I have yet to have a customer, or talk directly to one tha had GM go into the PCM to look for a tune flash. I'm sure they do with caasrophic drivetrain failure, but it takes far to much effort to check every car in for service.

Here is a good thread looking for anyone tha has experianced wha you are so adamant happens all the time:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104741
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I don't know how else to say it Tracy. My tranny has been replaced. GM doesn't care as long as it's not abused and that's hard to prove on a tranny. If I turn it up to 7000 RPM and blow the engine now I got a problem. I'm just trying to help some brothers with info but I'll quit.

Also remember GM asked me to flash mine. A dealer cannot modify a program.
 
RevXtreme 1 said:
I've been tuning & modding GM cars for 6 years and the only time a warranty was canceled was when a C6 owner changed is own spark plugs at Cox chev here in Bradenton.
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Damn.... I hope they don't try to pull something like that on me because I am changing my own oil and filter on the cars.

Anyway, back to the real topic of this thread....

I'm not going out to Chris's till tomorrow (Tuesday). He said everything is back together and he got the idle tune finished. Today is going to be to clean up the car. Tomorrow afternoon it will be put on the dyno and run up the revs a bit.

I'm guessing the bigger throttle body needs to be put on there sooner or later to see what happens with it in place. He's still concerned about the at rest gap being so wide on that thing.
 
RevXtreme 1 said:
I've been tuning & modding GM cars for 6 years and the only time a warranty was canceled was when a C6 owner changed is own spark plugs at Cox chev here in Bradenton.

Otherwise I have yet to have a customer, or talk directly to one tha had GM go into the PCM to look for a tune flash. I'm sure they do with caasrophic drivetrain failure, but it takes far to much effort to check every car in for service.

Here is a good thread looking for anyone tha has experianced wha you are so adamant happens all the time:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104741
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In that short 2 pager, there wasn't much in the way of substance; however; in the end, they did have a warranty denial.....
 
Shadow said:
In that short 2 pager, there wasn't much in the way of substance; however; in the end, they did have a warranty denial.....
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And I can find a few others with catastrophic drivetrain failures, but you know how many vettes I have modded through the years (even for a dealer owner who is very mod friendly when it comes to warranties) and even today, I have yet to run into any unreasonable denials except the plugs at Cox.
 
RevXtreme 1 said:
And I can find a few others with catastrophic drivetrain failures, but you know how many vettes I have modded through the years (even for a dealer owner who is very mod friendly when it comes to warranties) and even today, I have yet to run into any unreasonable denials except the plugs at Cox.
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I guess I would be curious as to WHY the plug change caused a warranty denial. It's not like GM could reasonably claim that only an authorized GM dealership can do ANY work on a warranted car, can it? Perhaps the wrong type of plug was used which could have semi-reasonably been claimed to cause an engine failure.
 
vetteguy61 said:
Good thing you didn't go out to see Chris today Rich. I got there at 1:30 and the shop was closed up.
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Hmmmm........ :shrug01:

Well, according to Chris, my car was being flatbedded to the local body shop so they could buff out some scratches that have shown up on the finish from being out there at the shop too long. Nothing major, but I guess he would prefer a professional to fix them.
 
RevXtreme 1 said:
And I can find a few others with catastrophic drivetrain failures, but you know how many vettes I have modded through the years (even for a dealer owner who is very mod friendly when it comes to warranties) and even today, I have yet to run into any unreasonable denials except the plugs at Cox.
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I don't think I'm understaning what you are saying Tracy?

Are you saying that this whole warranty denial thing as a result of tuning, and mods, is bull?
 
Rich Z said:
Hmmmm........ :shrug01:

Well, according to Chris, my car was being flatbedded to the local body shop so they could buff out some scratches that have shown up on the finish from being out there at the shop too long. Nothing major, but I guess he would prefer a professional to fix them.
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Rich Z said:
I guess I would be curious as to WHY the plug change caused a warranty denial. It's not like GM could reasonably claim that only an authorized GM dealership can do ANY work on a warranted car, can it? Perhaps the wrong type of plug was used which could have semi-reasonably been claimed to cause an engine failure.
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He thought it was because he was constantly bringing it in for problems....and I was not there, but he can jump in if he likes. He is on here.
Shadow said:
I don't think I'm understaning what you are saying Tracy?

Are you saying that this whole warranty denial thing as a result of tuning, and mods, is bull?
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Absolutly not. If there is a catastrophic failure of the drivetrain, and the dealer strongly suspects modifcations done, then GM will request a flash count. But if you are in for service, or are in for an unrelated warranty issue they do NOT scan for it as the time & effort it takes. The hype that is spread on "Never tune, they will cancel your warranty" is just that, hype. The dealer does NOT scan every car under warranty that comes in for the purpose of denying warranties. But if the car openly appears to be modded and there is a trans, motor, rear diff failure then yes, expect them to check.

And for those that want to buy a second ECM to "trick, or fool" the dealer to collect on a warranty that you shouldn't, I am against that. In my book that is fraud, or cheating. Mod your car because you want the power and be prepared to take care of any failures due to it on your own. Just like when we put the vette into the wall at the drag strip. Had several tell me "claim you git a guard rail on the road or something". No, you go on the track by your own choice, you wreck you pay.

I just wanted to clarify that there is so much did-information out there. A tune or a CAI or Headers/exhaust is NOT cause to be in fear of a warranty being canceled or voided, but a heads/cam/twin turbo is. They DON'T check every car just to see.

:cheers:
 
Class Act

Getting back to the original post I see that the shop has taken your car to a body shop to detail it. This tells me that the shop owner recognizes the frustration both of you have shared in getting this build done. I hope this takes some of the problems along the way and makes them go away in your mind. Don't be afraid to drive it for fear of what might fail. I bet you don't think about that with the new car which basically has a hand built engine in it also.

A note on fear or worry

Worry or fear is like a rocking chair it gives you something to do but you don't go anywhere
 
I guess we'll see what happens. In just over two weeks, Chris has to be out of the building he is now in. So finished, or not, it's coming out of there....
 
Well, I won't be going out to Chris's shop today after all. He called me this morning and told me that the guy (Toby) supposed to buff those scratches out didn't show up till late to pick it up (?), so it won't be done till maybe Wednesday morning. He said in the meantime he was at the shop working on the tune a bit. I guess he means yesterday afternoon, as he said he wasn't planning on going to the shop today at all. He had a personal issue come up.
 
OK, I admit it, I don't have a clue what is going on any longer. I called the guy Toby at the body shop in Blountstown yesterday and I'm pretty darn sure he said my car was there. Chris said the car was picked up late on Tuesday. Toby said my car would be done by 10 am this morning. At around 12:40 today I called over there, but Toby was out to lunch. The guy I talked to said HE just got the car from the shop a little bit ago and it is just NOW at the body shop ready to be buffed. He said he had a key to the shop, but when he went over there to get the car, the battery was dead. So either Chris or Justin (he wasn't clear on who it was) had to swap out the battery to get the steering wheel unlocked so the car could be towed to the body shop. It's supposed to be done between 1:30 and 2:00 pm.

Chris told me it wasn't any sense going out to the shop yesterday and early today because my car wasn't there...

Obviously I have completely lost my mind, because NONE of the above really makes sense to me even after I have written it myself. :crazy9:
 
Rich Z said:
OK, I admit it, I don't have a clue what is going on any longer. I called the guy Toby at the body shop in Blountstown yesterday and I'm pretty darn sure he said my car was there. Chris said the car was picked up late on Tuesday. Toby said my car would be done by 10 am this morning. At around 12:40 today I called over there, but Toby was out to lunch. The guy I talked to said HE just got the car from the shop a little bit ago and it is just NOW at the body shop ready to be buffed. He said he had a key to the shop, but when he went over there to get the car, the battery was dead. So either Chris or Justin (he wasn't clear on who it was) had to swap out the battery to get the steering wheel unlocked so the car could be towed to the body shop. It's supposed to be done between 1:30 and 2:00 pm.

Chris told me it wasn't any sense going out to the shop yesterday and early today because my car wasn't there...

Obviously I have completely lost my mind, because NONE of the above really makes sense to me even after I have written it myself. :crazy9:
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It makes sense to me and probably Mike also. But we're in the wrong forum to discuss it. Hang in there Rich and hopefully by the end of next week you'll be able to pick it up.
 
vetteguy61 said:
It just never ends does it Rich.Sounds like it was another song and dance.
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Yeah, but I can no longer tell who is singing and dancing.... Seems like EVERYONE is doing that now.... So when the whole world seems crazy, well, you know what they say....

I checked back in this thread, and it was Monday that the car was supposed to have those scratches buffed out. So here it is Wednesday and the car is only now getting to the body shop. Maybe this entire last 11 months has just been a nightmare that I just cannot wake up from... NOTHING makes sense about the entire thing. If I read a book detailing this entire build, I would have labelled it as complete fiction done by a writer who can't make it at all believable.
 
It keeps me coming back daily.
I'm really tempted to drive down and see the car when it's finished, that is if it is snowing to bad up here.
Hang in there Rich :thumbsup:
 
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