• Got the Contributing Memberships stuff finally worked out and made up a thread as a sort of "How-To" to help people figure out how to participate. So if you need help figuring it out, here's the thread you need to take a look at -> http://www.corvetteflorida.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3581 Thank you, everyone! Rich Z.

Here's a real nightmare for you...

Well, the good news is that I haven't been banned there.... yet. I wrote a PM to the owner of the site last night, since I noted he had not been online since 12/26, but no response yet.

They have a feedback forum for use by supporting members and vendors. I posted a query about this issue there. And guess what? The text of my message was deleted and the thread LOCKED! :no_evil: I have the honor of being the ONLY member with a locked thread in their FEEDBACK FORUM. I wondered how come that section had so few posts in it. Duh...... :sillyme: I actually thought they WANTED feedback.

Yeah, I know I told Gannet in another thread that I would not "bash" CF, and really I am not doing it in that manner intentionally. I am simply posting the facts of my experience in this situation. I posted a link here to that thread on CF because I thought it was an important issue for people to be aware of. And I did contact not only the moderator there who locked it, but as well posted in their feedback forum to give them feedback on what I personally thought was an ill considered decision. And I contacted the site owner as well. So it is not like I am talking behind their backs at all about this. No, they are not obligated to listen to me, but throwing a muzzle on me? Is that the way to treat a lifetime GOLD member?
 
Hey, you better settle down right now or I am going to lock you down and banish you from this site...... Oh, wait, I can't do that, darn, I was feeling so powerful :hehehe:

I don't see what you have shared as CF Bashing. I have only been on there site since your post. I only became a member of their forum so that I could place a post in THAT thread. I was very interested in the end result and the advice that was given. If it had been my thread I would not only be upset with the dealership, but now I would also be upset with the CF for not allowing me to receive advice and support from my peers. IMO :badidea:
 
I don't think this counts as bashing. Hope that doesn't seem too inconsistent. :)

A specific complaint about a specific deal, yeah, fair game, and this is certainly a case in point. I think what I was on about before (if I can remember that far back; it's hell gettin old) was that I thought we were slipping into just random bad-mouthing any time their name got mentioned, and/or going out of our way to find some reason to complain about them.

The place has a lot of faults, but it's far the biggest game in town, and I've been on worse. I think they need to dump their lawyers and take the stick out of their ass, but that's me. :D
 
I've been passing PMs back and forth with the guy who got his car wrecked. Apparently he was supposed to have this all wrapped up today, but of course it didn't happen.

I think the pressure is off of the dealer, so he is going to just stonewall and stall hoping the guy gets frustrated enough to just walk away and take the loss on the chin.....
 
What a shame.. I truely believe that the power of 140,543 member being turned off by 1 member has seriously damaged his opportunity to fight this problem.
 
That dude needs a serious A$$:spank2: ! WTF, is up with some people these days?!:banghead: I totally agree:yesnod:,He had power when the thread was alive, now that it's dead, who knows!:nonod:
 
I think he is just hoping the dealer is being sincere and is trying to smooth things over. Apparently the dealer is a "rich bitch" and the guy is concerned that he may resort to some dirty pool to get even. I would think any car dealership would be scared to death of some pissed off guy at 3am with a slingshot and a pocket full of steel ball bearings....... :reddevil:
 
Aw hell...

It seems like this guy is getting shafted BIG TIME.....
The drugs we found were codeine and valium. His publicist said it was tylenol. We have not heard from him in two days. One thing that could kill the deal is we had to freeze our credit, due to a hacker that got control over our computer, and we had to kill our ebay, paypal and online banking as well. When it rains, it pours. If he pays off our loan, we could change the header from San Rafael Chevrolet wrecked our new vette and won't replace it or pay for lost value to : San Rafael chevrolet is a hero. I suggested it to him, no response. I suggested it to the mods, no response. I need your help. Maybe if you suggest it also, it might actually occur. I've got $400 left in the bank. WE can't hire a lawyer. No lawyer will take it on contigency. There's no money in it for them. Publicity was always the only hope.
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I'll probably get banned from CF for it, but I'm going to bring this up again over there later tonight.......
 
OK, I sent the following PM to the moderator who locked the thread, the owner of the site, and the guy who got his car wrecked:

ALLTHROTTLE&NOBOTTLE;

I have read the rule you provided several times, and am going to claim that ask1ed's thread passes the tests presented and therefore should be reopened. As evidence, I present this pm that I recently got from ask1ed:

Originally Posted by ask1ed
The drugs we found were codeine and valium. His publicist said it was tylenol. We have not heard from him in two days. One thing that could kill the deal is we had to freeze our credit, due to a hacker that got control over our computer, and we had to kill our ebay, paypal and online banking as well. When it rains, it pours. If he pays off our loan, we could change the header from San Rafael Chevrolet wrecked our new vette and won't replace it or pay for lost value to : San Rafael chevrolet is a hero. I suggested it to him, no response. I suggested it to the mods, no response. I need your help. Maybe if you suggest it also, it might actually occur. I've got $400 left in the bank. WE can't hire a lawyer. No lawyer will take it on contigency. There's no money in it for them. Publicity was always the only hope.

As can be clearly determined from this PM, San Rafael Chevrolet has apparently broken off contact, and equally apparent, now that the pressure is off since that thread was deep sixed, doesn't have much to worry about concerning public pressure. In effect, right when the ball was rolling at top speed, CorvetteForum opened up a hole in the road and dropped the ball out of sight.

The reason you gave in that thread for closing it is as follows:
Sounds like a resolution is at hand...since he is not a supporting vendor I am locking this down, good luck.

Well the first part is now evidently NOT true at all. There has BEEN no resolution, and definitely appears that it is not likely to be so. And as the PM from ask1ed clearly states, he has exhausted all other avenues to get this resolved. As for the second part, about the dealer not being a supporting vendor, I don't see the relevance in this instance, as I doubt the rule was written in such a manner that ONLY supporting vendors could be detailed in a problem such as this. But if it IS relevant, than I am offering to relinquish my Lifetime Gold Membership here and have that money put towards having San Rafael Chevrolet become a supporting member in order to satisfy that criteria and have that thread reopened. If that is what it takes, then I am fully prepared to abandon my paid membership to see it happen.

Quite frankly, it is my opinion that ask1ed has been abandoned by CorvetteForum when it is evident that a fellow Corvette owner needs help. If this site is not interested in helping it's members, might I ask just what it is here for? When I saw momentum building for that thread, I was amazed and impressed with the groundswell of support this guy got from the Corvette community. A community here that not only gave support here, but went out of it's way to spread the word far and wide to further help this guy get due restitution. As the support grew, so did my pride for being part of such a community as this that would circle around a fallen comrade in an amazing show of compassion.

Yeah, maybe I am the only one in the world that gives a crap about the resolution of this. Wouldn't be the first time, and probably not the last. But I am asking you again to reconsider your stance in this matter and try to put yourself in this guy's shoes. Is this the sort of treatment YOU would want to get in the same predicament? To basically have the management of this site tell you "Sorry bub. Tough luck to you, but you are on your own. We are not here to help you at all. And let's see, yeah, twist this rule to fit as the reason why..."

Respectfully,

Rich Zuchowski


ALLTHROTTLE&NOBOTTLE said:
Rich Z said:
I can't believe you locked that thead about the San Rafael Chevrolet dealer. That has got to be one of the hottest threads on the net right now and you LOCKED it? People were signing up on this forum SOLELY to post in support of the guy and you slammed the door in their faces?

With all due respect, sir, YOU certainly screwed the guy who got his car wrecked by doing that, you know. The publicity garnered from THIS site and others was to be his only hope of forcing that dealer to do what is RIGHT.

Supporting vendor? Who the hell gives a flip about that? We are all rooting for the guy to get things resolved and are watching this thread to see what happens, and YOU pulled the rug out from under us.

Sheesh............
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This is a private Forum.........thats who gives a flip. I suggest you read this rule closely...and a resolution is in place as said by the thread creator. NO ONE SPEAKS LOUDER for the silent majority than I.

Unresolved disputes
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The Forum allows a factual post on an unresolved dispute with a vendor or another member once all efforts to resolve the issue offline have been exhausted. Then, the post must be factual and cannot be used to bash the vendor or the member. Once the post has been made, it cannot be repeated in other sections or on other days.

Moderators will try to leave such threads open until everybody with direct knowledge of the issue being addressed has had a chance to provide their version of the facts. The thread must not become a running debate on the accuracy of the “facts” and may not deteriorate into an exchange of personal attacks. Neither should be used as an opportunity for speculation by those who do not have direct knowledge of the issue.

Once there has been the opportunity for the facts on all sides to be posted, the thread will be locked. It will remain in the database and will be available for review by those who are researching the topic, vendor or member.

The Forum is not in a position to monitor transactions or to determine the “true facts” in most disputes. Upon request, however, the Forum will try to intervene and mediate a settlement suitable to all parties in a dispute. When issues are resolved in the matter, it will be posted to the original dispute thread so it becomes part of the searchable record. We believe that is a more useful record of performance for potential customers than would be an eBay-style rating system.

As has been our past practice, members or vendors who show a pattern of unresolved issues will be removed from Corvetteforum.com.


The rule requires that all efforts for resolution be exhausted/conducted offline. This means by e-mail, PM, in person, or by telephone. Once this is done, then, and only then, is a factual thread permitted.

Additionally, it is disappointing to see fellow members automatically siding with the creator of the thread before hearing both sides of the story.

This is the main reason that these matters be handled offline. Needless to say, they can severely damage the reputation of any company whether they are affiliated with the forum or not.

Only one side has spoken, and this thread is now closed.
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Any wagers on my getting banned? :shrug01:
 
I am with you on this one.
Banned for life for speaking your mind. That would be low.
Bet you could start a forum called CorvettesForum.com and let CF members know that you are putting up the locked thread, then they all move :hehehe:
 
Well, I didn't get banned, and it looks like I have gotten dialog opened up between the guy (Geoff) who had his car crashed and the mods on CF. So maybe that thread will get reopened..... :shrug01:

Sure wouldn't look good for CF for there to be a followup on all the news wires about how they locked the thread and torpedoed the guy's chances....

I guess I just don't understand it. They had a goldmine of publicity and traffic coming from the wildfire spread of that story, and they just threw up a roadblock by locking the thread. That aspect alone should have been enough to keep that thread alive. But what the heck do I know..... :shrug01:
 
Well it looks like San Rafael Chevy came through for Geoff:
San Rafael Chevrolet really came through for us. Greg James and the dealership crew went out of their way to make it right and we are safisfied with the results. No question any more about their intentions and efforts. They delivered as promised and replaced our vette with a new 07, slightly better equipped, at our old loan rate and amount we owed. (Thanks to our credit union, contra costa credit union for matching the loan rate.) I think he took quite a hit. Maybe the mod can change the original header title of the post so the google result will show a positive header.
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:bravo: :bravo: :bravo:
 
Outstanding job from all who participated! I doubt the outcome would have been the same without the overwhelming support of (all) forum members...:thumbsup:
 
thebeepster said:
Outstanding job from all who participated! I doubt the outcome would have been the same without the overwhelming support of (all) forum members...:thumbsup:
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True,,,, so true.
 
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