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Got the Contributing Memberships stuff finally worked out and made up a thread as a sort of "How-To" to help people figure out how to participate. So if you need help figuring it out, here's the thread you need to take a look at -> http://www.corvetteflorida.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3581 Thank you, everyone! Rich Z.
Xtreme Motorsports
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Shadow
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Yea I wasn't talking about the firebird in that instance. I understood where you were coming from
:thumbsup::thumbsup:Cool:thumbsup:
Inspector called me early last week and he setup a meeting with me, I am currently writing up an affidavit for him for their case.
I have not yet taken my car to get dyno'd or the tune checked out due to me being on nights. I can't seem to wake up earlier then 4pm on my off days. Thinking about driving down to Tampa on some off days and taking it to Formato. Still want to get it dyno'd first and see what it is really making. Hopefully the dynosheet was something he wasn't lying about.
I have not yet taken my car to get dyno'd or the tune checked out due to me being on nights. I can't seem to wake up earlier then 4pm on my off days. Thinking about driving down to Tampa on some off days and taking it to Formato. Still want to get it dyno'd first and see what it is really making. Hopefully the dynosheet was something he wasn't lying about.
RevXtreme 1
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I would reccomend Greg at Antivenom for the tune, closer and he owns his own dyno...no extra charges to rent someone elses.
Shadow
New member
I'd have to 2nd that motion!:thumbsup:
Unfortunately I took my car to a local shop today to get dyno'd; and all the car could muster was 39x/38x SAE corrected. A far cry from the 440rwhp/412lbtq Chris stated it made on his dyno.
About 50rwhp/20lbtq difference (more loss of TQ on other pulls) from what Chris gave me for a dynosheet. He also never provided the video he said he took. I personally witnessed this dyno session and unfortunately know that a 50rwhp is not going to come up from dyno disparities. Some major bull**** has taken place.
The dyno today was a Dynojet, which normally should be reading higher then a Mustang or Dynomite, and this one in particular reads on average 10-20hp more then other local Dynojets based off of statements from some people who have used it.
Bottom line, either my custom cam is not in the car, the tune is absolute crap or something else with the motor is wrong although I can't contemplate what that would be that would be bringing it that down on power, considering it does indeed have PRC heads on it and my FAST92 which are visible. The cam is not visible, which leads me in that direction. The torque converter locks when it should and is catching right at 3200ish.
Chris also stated that he won't be returning my parts that he took in a text message and told me he gave me more then "enough".
The dyno pull reflected a 13.0-13.1 A/Fr across the pull. Which unfortunately is way too lean for a WOT for any sane person.
The original 440rwhp/412lbtq Chris told me it made is what it should be making with the mods that I have on it, or at least give or take 10-15rwhp. Unfortunately I now have to take my car elsewhere for sure and see wtf is going on NOW.
I'm trying to see if I can get it dyno'd at another location local just for that added confirmation. It is clear however that I have run into some more lies.
It would make me extremely happy if my camshaft is indeed in my car and the tune is just garbage, that is an easy fix. The camshaft just goes into a long list of things that add up to be a fair amount of money.
So alas, that saga continues.
About 50rwhp/20lbtq difference (more loss of TQ on other pulls) from what Chris gave me for a dynosheet. He also never provided the video he said he took. I personally witnessed this dyno session and unfortunately know that a 50rwhp is not going to come up from dyno disparities. Some major bull**** has taken place.
The dyno today was a Dynojet, which normally should be reading higher then a Mustang or Dynomite, and this one in particular reads on average 10-20hp more then other local Dynojets based off of statements from some people who have used it.
Bottom line, either my custom cam is not in the car, the tune is absolute crap or something else with the motor is wrong although I can't contemplate what that would be that would be bringing it that down on power, considering it does indeed have PRC heads on it and my FAST92 which are visible. The cam is not visible, which leads me in that direction. The torque converter locks when it should and is catching right at 3200ish.
Chris also stated that he won't be returning my parts that he took in a text message and told me he gave me more then "enough".
The dyno pull reflected a 13.0-13.1 A/Fr across the pull. Which unfortunately is way too lean for a WOT for any sane person.
The original 440rwhp/412lbtq Chris told me it made is what it should be making with the mods that I have on it, or at least give or take 10-15rwhp. Unfortunately I now have to take my car elsewhere for sure and see wtf is going on NOW.
I'm trying to see if I can get it dyno'd at another location local just for that added confirmation. It is clear however that I have run into some more lies.
It would make me extremely happy if my camshaft is indeed in my car and the tune is just garbage, that is an easy fix. The camshaft just goes into a long list of things that add up to be a fair amount of money.
So alas, that saga continues.
Well, if it were me, and I had your doubts, I would have the camshaft yanked out to verify what you have there. That is about the only real hard evidence you could use to prove or disprove what you have been told.
As for why the variance in dyno results, heck I dunno. I do know that when Chris tuned my car, the peak ratings were within a couple of horsepower of what was shown on the dyno down at AntiVenom. :shrug01: Chris fixed an overly rich problem in the midrange RPM band, and I was quite pleased with the results.
But really, no matter what, I don't think you will ever have any peace of mind till you actually verify that you got the camshaft you bought put into that engine, or not. Bitter pill to have to swallow, I know, but that's about the size of it. I don't know if anyone can accurately determine the specs of the driveshaft by measuring valvetrain movement so you don't have to actually pull the cam, but you may want to try looking into that first....
Honestly, till you verify that camshaft one way or another, you just really don't know....
Good luck..
Shadow
New member
Ubfortunately, in the end it's going to come down to that any way (pulling the cam) if you want to pursue criminal charges. You can't use speculation and the courts aren't going to care what you think. They deal with evidence and a half assed defense attorney would eat you and the prosecutor for lunch if you tried otherwise.
If you suspect the camshaft is the issue, stop spending good $$$ after bad, and go have it yanked, inspected and photographed/documented...with your military specialty, you should know the drill:yesnod:
What parts is Chris refusing to return? Why was he to return them? Are they parts that were removed and replaced? If so, did you sign away the authorization to have them returned?
If the answers to the above are:
1) my parts/parts that should be on the car
2) He/we agreed to have them returned
3) Yes
4) No
Then you have the basis for theft under Florida Statute.
If not, then you may not have squat that you can do about it but bitch and maybe sue him (good luck on that!)
Shops are required to, if you request it, provide you with a written estimate and again, if requested, show you the old parts that were replaced. They have you sign a waiver if you don't want that.
I've never been to a shop and had major work done, that this didn't happen since the bill was passed years ago.
Even the local guy that I've known for years, still has me sign off, even when he know's I trust him. It's just procedure.
If you suspect the camshaft is the issue, stop spending good $$$ after bad, and go have it yanked, inspected and photographed/documented...with your military specialty, you should know the drill:yesnod:
What parts is Chris refusing to return? Why was he to return them? Are they parts that were removed and replaced? If so, did you sign away the authorization to have them returned?
If the answers to the above are:
1) my parts/parts that should be on the car
2) He/we agreed to have them returned
3) Yes
4) No
Then you have the basis for theft under Florida Statute.
If not, then you may not have squat that you can do about it but bitch and maybe sue him (good luck on that!)
Shops are required to, if you request it, provide you with a written estimate and again, if requested, show you the old parts that were replaced. They have you sign a waiver if you don't want that.
I've never been to a shop and had major work done, that this didn't happen since the bill was passed years ago.
Even the local guy that I've known for years, still has me sign off, even when he know's I trust him. It's just procedure.
I guess I am curious about what parts we are talking about here. Sorry if they have already been listed and I just don't remember.
Personally, unless the original parts have any substantial resale value or I thought there might be a (very remote) chance I may want to use those parts to return the car to stock someday, then I'm really not interested in bringing back and storing all that junk. Heck, I've STILL got my original titanium Z06 mufflers that came off with the STS install in the storage shed....... Most people don't seem to be too interested in buying STOCK items, I guess.
And just out of curiosity, Fatbum, did you sign anything at all when you picked up the car? I would think that with all the rancor involved, Chris would have wanted you to sign off on some sort of release at that time. Did that happen? If so, what did it say?
Personally, unless the original parts have any substantial resale value or I thought there might be a (very remote) chance I may want to use those parts to return the car to stock someday, then I'm really not interested in bringing back and storing all that junk. Heck, I've STILL got my original titanium Z06 mufflers that came off with the STS install in the storage shed....... Most people don't seem to be too interested in buying STOCK items, I guess.
And just out of curiosity, Fatbum, did you sign anything at all when you picked up the car? I would think that with all the rancor involved, Chris would have wanted you to sign off on some sort of release at that time. Did that happen? If so, what did it say?
The camshaft IS coming out for sure.
There is however enough to being him up on criminal charges. Not only are stock parts missing that he replace with garbage used parts, but i paid for new things that he just didnt put on the motor, like the trunion rocker arms.
He said he would return my stuff but never did and i told him specifically that i never said he could take my stock parts to begin with and there was no "trade" agreement. I listed all the parts previously. I even told him bedore he touched anything i needed them all back and they add up $$$ wise. The dyno here just showed something was wrong, ill find out what, you can be sure.
Justin refused to give me back my car until i signed a paper saying chris has fulfilled his duty of replacing my motor but i had them add a clause about if anything was wrong with the motor or car they would be liable for 12k/1 year. And if there was any negliegence. Anything found out after the fact would still be acceptable in court as i have found out from the state, so im not worried about the paper.
Also, i have EVERY stock part for my, or at least did, until chris stole my parts he took off, some of which he did without my permission.
To this day as well i have not seen a single photo of the original damage which i asked for, an invoice of any parts or dyno run videos.
He lied to the POLICE about what he was sending, i mean come on, this dude is a CRIMINAL. The investigator has a laundry list of laws he has broken as well.
There is however enough to being him up on criminal charges. Not only are stock parts missing that he replace with garbage used parts, but i paid for new things that he just didnt put on the motor, like the trunion rocker arms.
He said he would return my stuff but never did and i told him specifically that i never said he could take my stock parts to begin with and there was no "trade" agreement. I listed all the parts previously. I even told him bedore he touched anything i needed them all back and they add up $$$ wise. The dyno here just showed something was wrong, ill find out what, you can be sure.
Justin refused to give me back my car until i signed a paper saying chris has fulfilled his duty of replacing my motor but i had them add a clause about if anything was wrong with the motor or car they would be liable for 12k/1 year. And if there was any negliegence. Anything found out after the fact would still be acceptable in court as i have found out from the state, so im not worried about the paper.
Also, i have EVERY stock part for my, or at least did, until chris stole my parts he took off, some of which he did without my permission.
To this day as well i have not seen a single photo of the original damage which i asked for, an invoice of any parts or dyno run videos.
He lied to the POLICE about what he was sending, i mean come on, this dude is a CRIMINAL. The investigator has a laundry list of laws he has broken as well.
Shadow
New member
The camshaft IS coming out for sure.
There is however enough to being him up on criminal charges. Not only are stock parts missing that he replace with garbage used parts, but i paid for new things that he just didnt put on the motor, like the trunion rocker arms.
Assuming you have the documentation, that would be fraud.
He said he would return my stuff but never did and i told him specifically that i never said he could take my stock parts to begin with and there was no "trade" agreement.
You should realize up front that whats not in writing, probably didn't happen.
I listed all the parts previously.
Well hell Billy Bob. Maybe Rich (and others) didn't feel like scrolling through 10+ pages of bullchit to find them!
I even told him bedore he touched anything i needed them all back and they add up $$$ wise.
In writing?
The dyno here just showed something was wrong, ill find out what, you can be sure.
That would make sense.:thumbsup:
Justin refused to give me back my car until i signed a paper saying chris has fulfilled his duty of replacing my motor but i had them add a clause about if anything was wrong with the motor or car they would be liable for 12k/1 year.
And he added that?:lmao::lmao:
Let me blow that one out of the water for you real quick like....Justin probably didn't have the AUTHORITY to add that sort of "guarantee", and unless agreed by both principles, hadn written additions generally won't hold up when contested by the shop owner. I'd simply say he didn't have the right to add that addition.
And what do you mean he "wouldn't let you have your car? Was the car finished? Had you paid the bill?
If so, my response to Justin would have been along the lines of, "get Chris!"
Otherwise, give me my damned keys or I'll call the police and have you (Justin) charged with auto theftHow's that work for ya?
And if there was any negliegence. Anything found out after the fact would still be acceptable in court as i have found out from the state, so im not worried about the paper.
Well, the "states" partially correct. After all, it's thier rule.
Depending on whether we're talking criminal or civil court?
In civil court, the rules of evidence change dramatically. That's what the "paper" is for. Otherwise, the "STATE" wouldn't have required it
Also, i have EVERY stock part for my, or at least did, until chris stole my parts he took off, some of which he did without my permission.
That sentence was a bit disjointed? You have or do not have every single stock part for your????? Help me here, I'm old
To this day as well i have not seen a single photo of the original damage which i asked for, an invoice of any parts or dyno run videos.
Now we're talking like a true investigator!:thumbsup:
He lied to the POLICE about what he was sending, i mean come on, this dude is a CRIMINAL. The investigator has a laundry list of laws he has broken as well.
Well then, tell Barney to get hoppin' on charges! WTF is he or she waiting for? An invitation? Jeez!
If it's that bad, why are they (the state) allowing him (Chris) to remain open?
Inquiring minds want to know?
BTW-I'm not picking on you in the above post responses. I'm being the Devils Advocate. You see things one sided, and clear cut, as a victim usually does. It's much easier out here, with nothing on the line, to see the holes in the case.
Make sure they patch everything up before they set sail:thumbsup:
Unless they have a lien against the car they have to give it to you as long as the bill has been paid. I took mine in for warranty work a few years ago. Went to pick up the car and they tried to bill me $177.
When all was said and done I got my car and they got no money. I only authorized the warranty work. After a discussion they agreed to give me my car but wanted me to sign a form first. They didn't think I would read it. I did and it was an agreement to pay them $177. Ya just can't trust anyone.
When all was said and done I got my car and they got no money. I only authorized the warranty work. After a discussion they agreed to give me my car but wanted me to sign a form first. They didn't think I would read it. I did and it was an agreement to pay them $177. Ya just can't trust anyone.
Lou G
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I don't know guys. This whole thing smells.
I wish Chris would get in here and tell his side of the story. I understand that he will probably not do it in case this goes to court but his silence is deafening.
I know that Fatbum describes what is going on as a victim (which sounds like he is) but I can understand. I would be going nuts if it was happening to me.
If I needed work on my car I would not even ride past Chris's business until this is resolved one way or the other.
I wish Chris would get in here and tell his side of the story. I understand that he will probably not do it in case this goes to court but his silence is deafening.
I know that Fatbum describes what is going on as a victim (which sounds like he is) but I can understand. I would be going nuts if it was happening to me.
If I needed work on my car I would not even ride past Chris's business until this is resolved one way or the other.
I agree Lou; but working with snakes...I mean defense lawyers for as long as I have, I can understand, and would probably recommend at this point, that he remain silent
I tend to agree. In litigation, certainly anything you say in a dispute COULD be used against you in a court of law. Why give a prosecuting attorney ammunition to shoot you with?
Justin didn't add that clause in, Chris did, and emailed me the updated statement.
The investigator is in fact putting a case together, he is simply waiting for all of the statements to come in and has had to meet with all the individuals with complaints. I know he has indeed physically met with me and Liz.
What I meant to say in that one sentence shadow was that I had all the stock parts for my CAR until Chris decided he wanted to end that streak of mine.
Chris won't post whenever something bad is happening because he knows he is at fault, he knows he has lied, and he knows I have proof. And proof speaks louder then bull****. Me, Liz's car, Richards yellow Firebird, this guy "procharger" from Pensacola, Jordan (according to Jordan) have all got screwed in someway, and this isn't minor stuff, this is big stuff. To suggest that all of us are lying as a group is just impracticable. The only person that I personally question their integrity is Jordan, because of issues I have seen on local forums, ls1gto and statements made by others about his association with Chris. Everyone else? Yea, not likely guys. I have PM after PM from other people who have told me their stories about Chris in the Tally area. Apparently all of their bad experiences have been word of mouth and not really internet posts unfortunately.
Whether he thinks that giving me those heads, used UDP (not my brand new one wtf?) and rails (unknown brand) was "more then enough" to satisfy all of the "ass ****ing" (non-literal of course) I have received over the past 7 months makes no difference. He has lied, he has stolen, and he has put together my car like it was some POS that was thrown together using junk used parts, instead of either things I paid for, things I brought new, or parts that were stock on the car. As much as I wanted the car to be returned perfect, it was not. I got it back not holding an idle, parts missing and half ass job done on putting it together. No one would approve of their car being that way. I don't care who here is "friends" with Chris. You have NO idea of this mans character or business practices. He is a manipulator and liar through and through. He was telling story after story that was never true, and denied by so many other people. He would tell me he was at the shop working on my car, when I have witnesses saying that he wasn't. I have statements from Chris even admitting to his lying! That he had no motor and lied all throughout December!
Also, if I sign a paper guaranteeing you I will turn into a Unicorn in the next 5 minutes, and you took me to court for not adhering to that, it would be dismissed under...do ta da do! Anyone want to take a guess at the grounds?
Even after I signed that paper Chris has told me in "texting" that he would return my parts and didn't realize mine weren't on the car, but never has. If I were him I would want me out of his hair, but seeing as how he has stolen money for parts i never got, and hasn't returned my stock ****, I'm not going anywhere.
I offered him all of "his" parts and motor back for $7k so I could get a new motor elsewhere, but he didn't want that deal.
Even when Chris finally bought that LS2 for my car, he didn't actually have someone to go pick it up that day like he said (Jordan was the supposed person). He didn't have an LS2 on standby ready to get picked up, he didn't have ****. He told me someone was on the way to pick it up initially (not true), he said he had bought it already (not true).
I am simply updating this as progress is made, or rather new information on my car and the states investigator. I can assure you I wouldn't call the cops or the department of consumer affairs if this was all BS, I wouldn't waste my time writing up an affidavit that is notarized good and true by a State Investigator.
The big difference between me and Chris, is that I have pictures, parts and just proof in general. He didn't take a single picture of anything I requested except the motor sitting in the car in Jan. No dyno run, no motor back in Dec, no pics of my car verifying its status (other then the one in Jan). He even locked his tune like he said he wouldn't do. He is incompetent enough that he had to call another tuner and ask him how to tune the idling of my car with me present. Master tuner and you need to ask someone else how to tune for idle on a H/C LS car? What in the world? Nothing has ever made sense about his statements. I asked him what his specific duties with MTI was, and guess what? I asked MTI what his specific duties were, and it turns out Chris had lied about that. Once again, I have statements and proof showing that he lied.
This dude is bad news, I'll be lucky if the motor is in ok condition and is in just need of a tune. The cam may be there, but something is clearly wrong. When it comes to making a choice on where to go, all I know is that Xtreme shouldn't even be on the options list.
The investigator is in fact putting a case together, he is simply waiting for all of the statements to come in and has had to meet with all the individuals with complaints. I know he has indeed physically met with me and Liz.
What I meant to say in that one sentence shadow was that I had all the stock parts for my CAR until Chris decided he wanted to end that streak of mine.
Chris won't post whenever something bad is happening because he knows he is at fault, he knows he has lied, and he knows I have proof. And proof speaks louder then bull****. Me, Liz's car, Richards yellow Firebird, this guy "procharger" from Pensacola, Jordan (according to Jordan) have all got screwed in someway, and this isn't minor stuff, this is big stuff. To suggest that all of us are lying as a group is just impracticable. The only person that I personally question their integrity is Jordan, because of issues I have seen on local forums, ls1gto and statements made by others about his association with Chris. Everyone else? Yea, not likely guys. I have PM after PM from other people who have told me their stories about Chris in the Tally area. Apparently all of their bad experiences have been word of mouth and not really internet posts unfortunately.
Whether he thinks that giving me those heads, used UDP (not my brand new one wtf?) and rails (unknown brand) was "more then enough" to satisfy all of the "ass ****ing" (non-literal of course) I have received over the past 7 months makes no difference. He has lied, he has stolen, and he has put together my car like it was some POS that was thrown together using junk used parts, instead of either things I paid for, things I brought new, or parts that were stock on the car. As much as I wanted the car to be returned perfect, it was not. I got it back not holding an idle, parts missing and half ass job done on putting it together. No one would approve of their car being that way. I don't care who here is "friends" with Chris. You have NO idea of this mans character or business practices. He is a manipulator and liar through and through. He was telling story after story that was never true, and denied by so many other people. He would tell me he was at the shop working on my car, when I have witnesses saying that he wasn't. I have statements from Chris even admitting to his lying! That he had no motor and lied all throughout December!
Also, if I sign a paper guaranteeing you I will turn into a Unicorn in the next 5 minutes, and you took me to court for not adhering to that, it would be dismissed under...do ta da do! Anyone want to take a guess at the grounds?
Even after I signed that paper Chris has told me in "texting" that he would return my parts and didn't realize mine weren't on the car, but never has. If I were him I would want me out of his hair, but seeing as how he has stolen money for parts i never got, and hasn't returned my stock ****, I'm not going anywhere.
I offered him all of "his" parts and motor back for $7k so I could get a new motor elsewhere, but he didn't want that deal.
Even when Chris finally bought that LS2 for my car, he didn't actually have someone to go pick it up that day like he said (Jordan was the supposed person). He didn't have an LS2 on standby ready to get picked up, he didn't have ****. He told me someone was on the way to pick it up initially (not true), he said he had bought it already (not true).
I am simply updating this as progress is made, or rather new information on my car and the states investigator. I can assure you I wouldn't call the cops or the department of consumer affairs if this was all BS, I wouldn't waste my time writing up an affidavit that is notarized good and true by a State Investigator.
The big difference between me and Chris, is that I have pictures, parts and just proof in general. He didn't take a single picture of anything I requested except the motor sitting in the car in Jan. No dyno run, no motor back in Dec, no pics of my car verifying its status (other then the one in Jan). He even locked his tune like he said he wouldn't do. He is incompetent enough that he had to call another tuner and ask him how to tune the idling of my car with me present. Master tuner and you need to ask someone else how to tune for idle on a H/C LS car? What in the world? Nothing has ever made sense about his statements. I asked him what his specific duties with MTI was, and guess what? I asked MTI what his specific duties were, and it turns out Chris had lied about that. Once again, I have statements and proof showing that he lied.
This dude is bad news, I'll be lucky if the motor is in ok condition and is in just need of a tune. The cam may be there, but something is clearly wrong. When it comes to making a choice on where to go, all I know is that Xtreme shouldn't even be on the options list.
Shadow
New member
Justin didn't add that clause in, Chris did, and emailed me the updated statement.
In your previous post you said, and I quote:Justin refused to give me back my car until i signed a paper saying chris has fulfilled his duty of replacing my motor but i had them add a clause about if anything was wrong with the motor or car they would be liable for 12k/1 year.
The investigator is in fact putting a case together, he is simply waiting for all of the statements to come in and has had to meet with all the individuals with complaints. I know he has indeed physically met with me and Liz.
Is this an FHP investigator, a police/Sheriff's investigator, or one of the Department of Agriculture folks?
What I meant to say in that one sentence shadow was that I had all the stock parts for my CAR until Chris decided he wanted to end that streak of mine.
Gotcha, thanks:thumbsup:
Chris won't post whenever something bad is happening because he knows he is at fault, he knows he has lied, and he knows I have proof. And proof speaks louder then bull****. Me, Liz's car, Richards yellow Firebird, this guy "procharger" from Pensacola, Jordan (according to Jordan) have all got screwed in someway, and this isn't minor stuff, this is big stuff. To suggest that all of us are lying as a group is just impracticable. The only person that I personally question their integrity is Jordan, because of issues I have seen on local forums, ls1gto and statements made by others about his association with Chris. Everyone else? Yea, not likely guys. I have PM after PM from other people who have told me their stories about Chris in the Tally area. Apparently all of their bad experiences have been word of mouth and not really internet posts unfortunately.
I can't say as I blame him. I'd be lawyering up about now if I were him...or shopping for property in a non-extgraditionary country.
Whether he thinks that giving me those heads, used UDP (not my brand new one wtf?) and rails (unknown brand) was "more then enough" to satisfy all of the "ass ****ing" (non-literal of course) I have received over the past 7 months makes no difference. He has lied, he has stolen, and he has put together my car like it was some POS that was thrown together using junk used parts, instead of either things I paid for, things I brought new, or parts that were stock on the car. As much as I wanted the car to be returned perfect, it was not. I got it back not holding an idle, parts missing and half ass job done on putting it together. No one would approve of their car being that way. I don't care who here is "friends" with Chris. You have NO idea of this mans character or business practices. He is a manipulator and liar through and through. He was telling story after story that was never true, and denied by so many other people. He would tell me he was at the shop working on my car, when I have witnesses saying that he wasn't. I have statements from Chris even admitting to his lying! That he had no motor and lied all throughout December!
You keep harping on the "friends here" thing? Why? If we were all azzhole buddies, we'd have shut this thread down months ago
t's obvious that we want the truth, regardless of the outcome:thumbsup:
Also, if I sign a paper guaranteeing you I will turn into a Unicorn in the next 5 minutes, and you took me to court for not adhering to that, it would be dismissed under...do ta da do! Anyone want to take a guess at the grounds?
Ok, what the hell was theat?:shrug01: Go ahead, we're waiting...de de de...:rofl1:
Even after I signed that paper Chris has told me in "texting" that he would return my parts and didn't realize mine weren't on the car, but never has. If I were him I would want me out of his hair, but seeing as how he has stolen money for parts i never got, and hasn't returned my stock ****, I'm not going anywhere.
I offered him all of "his" parts and motor back for $7k so I could get a new motor elsewhere, but he didn't want that deal.
Even when Chris finally bought that LS2 for my car, he didn't actually have someone to go pick it up that day like he said (Jordan was the supposed person). He didn't have an LS2 on standby ready to get picked up, he didn't have ****. He told me someone was on the way to pick it up initially (not true), he said he had bought it already (not true).
I am simply updating this as progress is made, or rather new information on my car and the states investigator. I can assure you I wouldn't call the cops or the department of consumer affairs if this was all BS, I wouldn't waste my time writing up an affidavit that is notarized good and true by a State Investigator.
The big difference between me and Chris, is that I have pictures, parts and just proof in general. He didn't take a single picture of anything I requested except the motor sitting in the car in Jan. No dyno run, no motor back in Dec, no pics of my car verifying its status (other then the one in Jan). He even locked his tune like he said he wouldn't do. He is incompetent enough that he had to call another tuner and ask him how to tune the idling of my car with me present. Master tuner and you need to ask someone else how to tune for idle on a H/C LS car? What in the world? Nothing has ever made sense about his statements. I asked him what his specific duties with MTI was, and guess what? I asked MTI what his specific duties were, and it turns out Chris had lied about that. Once again, I have statements and proof showing that he lied.
This dude is bad news, I'll be lucky if the motor is in ok condition and is in just need of a tune. The cam may be there, but something is clearly wrong. When it comes to making a choice on where to go, all I know is that Xtreme shouldn't even be on the options list.
It sounds like you have a tight enough case that even a "true state investigator" can get the charges to stick
Keep us posted.:thumbsup:
Yea, Chris had Justin take a piece of paper (Which had Xtreme letterhead and all sorts of hubblegosh on it) along to my house when Justin dropped the car off. I told him I wasn't going to sign it so he wrote up another one and emailed it over. I reread what I wrote that you quoted and it doesn't say anything about Justin writing it. Justin didn't do anything but hand me the BS one. I printed off the one with the added clause in there, the investigator has a copy of that too.
I wasn't harping on people here being his friends, I am making a basic warning about this guy, whether you are his friend or not, I just think you should heed it.
I think he (the investigator) is from the department of consumer affairs, he does carry around a fancy dancy badge though.
I haven't called up the State Prosecutor yet because I am waiting to find out about the internals to my vehicle and the tune. If the tune is so bad I can get some more fraud charges in there.
I wasn't harping on people here being his friends, I am making a basic warning about this guy, whether you are his friend or not, I just think you should heed it.
I think he (the investigator) is from the department of consumer affairs, he does carry around a fancy dancy badge though.
I haven't called up the State Prosecutor yet because I am waiting to find out about the internals to my vehicle and the tune. If the tune is so bad I can get some more fraud charges in there.
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Yea, Chris had Justin take a piece of paper (Which had Xtreme letterhead and all sorts of hubblegosh on it) along to my house when Justin dropped the car off. I told him I wasn't going to sign it so he wrote up another one and emailed it over. I reread what I wrote that you quoted and it doesn't say anything about Justin writing it. Justin didn't do anything but hand me the BS one. I printed off the one with the added clause in there, the investigator has a copy of that too.
I wasn't harping on people here being his friends, I am making a basic warning about this guy, whether you are his friend or not, I just think you should heed it.
I think he (the investigator) is from the department of consumer affairs, he does carry around a fancy dancy badge though.
I haven't called up the State Prosecutor yet because I am waiting to find out about the internals to my vehicle and the tune. If the tune is so bad I can get some more fraud charges in there.
Gotcha!:thumbsup:
Is the DOAC investigator going after criminal or administrative charges?
Generally, they're administrative (they really just want your $$$$); although they have the abillity to go for criminal or both. If so, "you" wouldn't have the need to contact a state prosecutor.:thumbsup:
Just curious?
Thanks.:thumbsup:
Just another update:
I have gotten another dyno at another independent shop showing results within 5 of the dyno I got last week, still way off from Chris' numbers. In fact, the curves of the graph would allude to the fact that Chris' sheet was fake. Which it clearly was.
I had an IAT relocation kit on my car, about $80, that is not on my car. It should have never come off in the first place, as it stays attached to the normal IAT sensor even if you remove it from the CAI. This is just more BS. I originally thought he relocated it further towards the air inlet, but nope, we discovered this when my IATs where around 130 degrees....
The ported throttle body that was on my car (the one I ported) is no longer present either. Chris stole that too. I txted him about this and he said Justin would be dropping my parts off on Monday or Tuesday. Frankly I don't believe him.
Also, the fuel rails he put on my car are leaking because Chris used tape that deteriorates at high temps. Unsure of why he used tape on AN fittings...but what can I expect. I also realized none of my AC stuff was capped off, which in a sandy environment can be quite the bad thing...
There was some unusual stuff happening on the graph again, can't wait to have the tune further looked into.
I have gotten another dyno at another independent shop showing results within 5 of the dyno I got last week, still way off from Chris' numbers. In fact, the curves of the graph would allude to the fact that Chris' sheet was fake. Which it clearly was.
I had an IAT relocation kit on my car, about $80, that is not on my car. It should have never come off in the first place, as it stays attached to the normal IAT sensor even if you remove it from the CAI. This is just more BS. I originally thought he relocated it further towards the air inlet, but nope, we discovered this when my IATs where around 130 degrees....
The ported throttle body that was on my car (the one I ported) is no longer present either. Chris stole that too. I txted him about this and he said Justin would be dropping my parts off on Monday or Tuesday. Frankly I don't believe him.
Also, the fuel rails he put on my car are leaking because Chris used tape that deteriorates at high temps. Unsure of why he used tape on AN fittings...but what can I expect. I also realized none of my AC stuff was capped off, which in a sandy environment can be quite the bad thing...
There was some unusual stuff happening on the graph again, can't wait to have the tune further looked into.