• Got the Contributing Memberships stuff finally worked out and made up a thread as a sort of "How-To" to help people figure out how to participate. So if you need help figuring it out, here's the thread you need to take a look at -> http://www.corvetteflorida.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3581 Thank you, everyone! Rich Z.

C5 427 forged motor?

85vette said:
Just curious, what kind of horsepower does this Warhawk engine make? And how much does the complete engine cost?
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Supposedly, this motor will be making 550-600 rwhp without the turbos involved.

As for the cost, well, with all the internal parts and machine work involved, it looks like it cost me around $16K to $17K for the motor. Hmm, seems to me paying that much for a motor, one would expect the intake manifold to bolt right up to it..... :shrug01:
 
85vette said:
I was wondering....I see GM wants $26K for a crate LS9....
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If the LS9 had been 427 cubes, it might have caught my eye. The price wouldn't be that bad if it includes the supercharger. Of course having a supercharged engine being driven by the turbochargers would probably have been an interesting project for Chris to tune.....
 
Fatbum said:
Rich I just noticed this thread on ls1gto with a gentleman having the same issue with the manifold not bolting up to the heads...

might be something in there of use:

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=345161
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Thanks!

That does sound pretty similar, but not sure if he is using World Product heads or not.

Chris told me that the engine is on it's way back to LME, and I understand it will take them two to three days to turn it around once they have it.
 
Rich Z said:
Thanks!

That does sound pretty similar, but not sure if he is using World Product heads or not.

Chris told me that the engine is on it's way back to LME, and I understand it will take them two to three days to turn it around once they have it.
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The heads the guy has in that thread aren't WP, but they are LS7 heads. The issue is again with one side not bolting up.

Are you sure that's an LS7 Intake Manifold?
 
Fatbum said:
The heads the guy has in that thread aren't WP, but they are LS7 heads. The issue is again with one side not bolting up.

Are you sure that's an LS7 Intake Manifold?
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Yes, as far as I know. Chris said he even tried a stock LS7 intake and it had the same problem. Seems to me he took measurements just to be certain. :shrug01:
 
Rich Z said:
Yes, as far as I know. Chris said he even tried a stock LS7 intake and it had the same problem. Seems to me he took measurements just to be certain. :shrug01:
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Weird.

Which manifold are you using again? The LSx102?
 
Fatbum said:
Weird.

Which manifold are you using again? The LSx102?
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Yes. It's actually the FAST LSXR 102. Chris put one on a modified LS7 and got some substantial gains from it, so he thought it would be a worthwhile match for my engine.
 
Well, I guess I'm getting a bit irritated now......

Chris told me he had the engine packed up and delivered to a freight company on Friday (11/04) and I contacted Bryan at LME early this past week to ask him to let me know when it shows up there. A couple of emails to Bryan on 12/09 and 12/11 asking about status on delivery of the engine were not replied to. So where the heck is that motor that I paid $16K for? It's been a week since it shipped, so it SHOULD be at LME by now. In the meantime, Chris has that bay and lift tied up with my car and I'm twiddling my thumbs not knowing what the heck is going on. Connie is leaving for Delaware on Tuesday to visit family and I SHOULD be going with her, but I'm not about to leave and leave this build in limbo for yet another week.

I did talk to Chris a couple of times on Saturday as he tried to find some sort of tracking number on the bill of lading he got when he dropped the engine off. And he mentioned that he thought that LME was just going to redrill those heads to make the manifold bolts work. Now those current holes will be right next to the new holes drilled, and even if they fill in those old holes somehow, how well will those new bolt holes hold? Bear in mind that I will have those turbos putting in at least 15 psi to that intake manifold, so I certainly don't need the manifold tearing loose from the heads because of kluged mounting holes on the heads. Matter of fact, if those bolt holes aren't lining up properly, are the ports themselves in the heads and manifold lining up properly? Maybe it's just me, but would anyone else be a bit perturbed at the thought of spending this kind of money on an engine and then being told the heads were just going to be jury rigged to work with the intake manifold?

Man, I'm trying to be patient and take this all in stride, but it's getting REALLY tough to do. To be sent a very expensive engine that the intake manifold won't even work on just blows my mind....
 
If I were you, I'd take a week and go with your wife and just not think about all this for a while. Its obvious someone screwed up. I have a feeling it is from using the wrong heads for the block you have. If it were ONLY a matter of redrilling a few holes, I'd look at modifying the intake (elongating the holes) rather than drilling and tapping the heads. But I'm with you, I don't understand how the intake ports can line up properly if the bolt holes are this far off.

This kind of stuff is one of the reasons that I have a hard time letting anyone do any of this type of work for me. If its possible for someone to screw something up, they will!
 
New heads. New intake. I would settle for nothing less. LME isn't going to be the one stranded if something lets go in YOUR car. Then it'll be tow it to Blountstown, tie up Chris' lift and people AGAIN, and footing the bill for at least some of the labor. OK, so you've been down that road already, and are currently still on it...........care for a repeat performance when something breaks in the future? Get it done right, right now, and it'll be good to go in the future. I would seriously talk to Chris and spell it out for him as to what exactly you will NOT put up with so that both of you are on the same page. Right now, he's your eyes and ears into LME, and the more he knows about your wants/wishes, the better choices he can make. I'm hoping for an easy solution like they sent you the wrong heads, or the wrong intake manifold and can get it straightened out quickly and easily. I think that you've put up with enough BS and shouldn't have to put up with any more. I would ask Chris to look at the intake to heads alignment with a video camera if possible when the engine comes back to make sure that there isn't any mis-match there. Maybe even have him tell LME to insure that they match up correctly before they send the motor back. I think that this might be a one time issure or else you would be reading about people calling them "Let's Make Errors", and voicing a lot of complaints. Seems like there must be a lot of satisfied people out there which makes me hope that there's going to be an easy and correct solution. Keep us updated................
Andy
 
gsdave said:
If I were you, I'd take a week and go with your wife and just not think about all this for a while. Its obvious someone screwed up. I have a feeling it is from using the wrong heads for the block you have. If it were ONLY a matter of redrilling a few holes, I'd look at modifying the intake (elongating the holes) rather than drilling and tapping the heads. But I'm with you, I don't understand how the intake ports can line up properly if the bolt holes are this far off.

This kind of stuff is one of the reasons that I have a hard time letting anyone do any of this type of work for me. If its possible for someone to screw something up, they will!
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Sorry, but no, I don't want the intake manifold modified. If in the future my turbos go out and I decide I want to go with a roots style super charger, I would be screwed. No, the LS7X heads and block combo SHOULD take a stock LS7 intake manifold, and that's what I want.
 
navy2kcoupe said:
New heads. New intake. I would settle for nothing less. LME isn't going to be the one stranded if something lets go in YOUR car. Then it'll be tow it to Blountstown, tie up Chris' lift and people AGAIN, and footing the bill for at least some of the labor. OK, so you've been down that road already, and are currently still on it...........care for a repeat performance when something breaks in the future? Get it done right, right now, and it'll be good to go in the future. I would seriously talk to Chris and spell it out for him as to what exactly you will NOT put up with so that both of you are on the same page. Right now, he's your eyes and ears into LME, and the more he knows about your wants/wishes, the better choices he can make. I'm hoping for an easy solution like they sent you the wrong heads, or the wrong intake manifold and can get it straightened out quickly and easily. I think that you've put up with enough BS and shouldn't have to put up with any more. I would ask Chris to look at the intake to heads alignment with a video camera if possible when the engine comes back to make sure that there isn't any mis-match there. Maybe even have him tell LME to insure that they match up correctly before they send the motor back. I think that this might be a one time issure or else you would be reading about people calling them "Let's Make Errors", and voicing a lot of complaints. Seems like there must be a lot of satisfied people out there which makes me hope that there's going to be an easy and correct solution. Keep us updated................
Andy
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I emailed Chris this morning after mulling over this over night. I told him I would not accept a mikey mouse fix to the heads. LME needs to replace either the heads or the block (or both if it comes to that), no matter which is the cause of this problem. If LME balks at this, then I have authorized him to cancel the order based on the merchandise being unacceptable and faulty and demand a refund. Then if need be, we can put the LS6 back into the car while another motor is ordered and built by someone else so I don't tie up his lift any longer waiting for that new one to be built. And I'll tell you what, if this is in fact a World Product problem and they won't man up and do what is right, I would just as soon not have their name on the motor I see every time I pop the hood on my car at the car shows to give them even passive advertising in that manner.

But we'll see what happens this upcoming week. Certainly I'm not very hopeful to have my car back by New Years anyway.... :nonod:
 
Well, the news now is that the engine should be showing up at LME this morning. Chris took it to the shipping depot on Friday 12/04 and it took 11 days to get from the panhandle of Florida to Texas. :toetap05: I think I could have gotten it there myself quicker by just loading it into a wheel barrel and pushing it along. Is anyone getting the feeling that the cards are stacked against me?

I got a PM from a Billy Mitchell Jr. at World Products after I read them the riot act about this fiasco. Hopefully I lit a fire underneath him. I requested that he get in touch with Bryan at LME as well as Chris at Xtreme and just get this all sorted out and resolved QUICKLY. Don't waste my time with finger pointing, just get me what I paid for and get it back to Xtreme ASAP.

I got an email earlier in the day from Bryan Neelen from LME where he claimed that the fix they would do to the heads would actually be stronger then the native aluminum. I still declined that option as in my opinion, I would still have boogered up heads on this expensive engine I had built. I want it RIGHT, not FIXED. If the heads are machined wrong, then I want the heads replaced with ones that are machined correctly.

So we shall see what happens.... :banghead:
 
:iagree::iagree::iagree::iagree:

It needs to be done RIGHT! You didnt pay for "fixed or refurb" parts so you shouldnt get them !!!

You know we're behind you Rich :crazy03:
 
Chris notified me today that the engine had finally shown up at LME's facility. I emailed Bryan Neelen just a bit ago and he said he has his lead machinist checking measurements and documenting everything. He plans to contact World Products in the morning with the findings and confer with Bill Mitchell on a resolution to this issue. He will then contact me afterwards.

So we'll see.....
 
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