• Got the Contributing Memberships stuff finally worked out and made up a thread as a sort of "How-To" to help people figure out how to participate. So if you need help figuring it out, here's the thread you need to take a look at -> http://www.corvetteflorida.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3581 Thank you, everyone! Rich Z.

Adam's Polishes Holiday Sale

Hey Nytro,

I did not direct this question to you. I directed it to Adam.
Why should I talk to Sal Zaino? You are one of the forum members that talk so high about Adams products. Dont you all want to know what you are getting for the high dollars that you are paying for his products? Actually you guys are so impressed you are like his salesman. So Sal Zaino has nothing to to with it. If Adam is a manufacturer he knows the answers to these questions. In fact I have a few more for him too.These are not questions that threaten his formula in any way. So, in other words mind your own business.


Joe-Flash man
 
Flash man said:
Hey Nytro,

I did not direct this question to you. I directed it to Adam.
Why should I talk to Sal Zaino? You are one of the forum members that talk so high about Adams products. Dont you all want to know what you are getting for the high dollars that you are paying for his products? Actually you guys are so impressed you are like his salesman. So Sal Zaino has nothing to to with it. If Adam is a manufacturer he knows the answers to these questions. In fact I have a few more for him too.These are not questions that threaten his formula in any way. So, in other words mind your own business.


Joe-Flash man
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More sour grapes. Obviously you feel threatened by the exposure and positive feedback he is getting. As far as minding my own business, this is a public forum last time I checked and I don't believe I have to check with you as to what posts I do and do not reply too. What do we care what is in his products, the only thing that matters is that they work and we are satisfied. Perhaps if your products were as good as his people on message boards would be raving about your product like his. I have seen none of that so I guess it speaks for itself. Instead of hijacking a thread started to promote his products by a satisfied customer, you should have started a thread of your own asking him questions, or better still if you didn't want unwanted responses you should have called or emailed him personally. As far as being impressed with his products, damn right I am and I will express my impressions and feelings about them because they are excellent products. And his customer service is the best.
 
Gentlemen, please...... Everyone is entitled to their own personal opinions here. Just because their opinion may differ from yours, doesn't make them open season for personal confrontations. Personally I would like to see ALL facts discussed about the products I am considering using. Personal confrontations and such will only muddy the waters to the detriment of us all.
 
Rich Z,

I will not argue with any of the members on this forum. That would be disrepectful to you and other members on this forum. The reason I ask these questions is that I would like to educate the consumer as to what benefits you are getting in a product. Other than it works good. Some people may not care and thats ok. But there are educated consumers out there that would like to know the facts and ingredients in a product without compromising a companys trade secret of a formula. There are many companies out there that water down thier products and charge top dollar for them. I can do the same thing, but I feel that is dishonest and an injustice to the consumer.

The questions that I ask are not threating to anyone. I dont understand why I got jumped on by a forum member.
Yes, I am a vendor on this site and I may not have alot of customers that have used my products from this forum. Although, there are many corvette owners out there that have used my products and are very satisfied.

I feel that every chemical company should be honest about the solid content of thier products. This way you know what you are getting for your hard earned money. I am waiting for a response from Adam. But, I will answer questions from forum members as long as they are not looking to start an argument. Thanks.:)


Joe-Flash Man

Flash Car Care Products

www.flashwax.com
 
As far as my promotion and use of Adam's products, it's based on this, in no particular order:

1. Outstanding customer service. Simply, the best and most helpful I've ever dealt with.
2. Word of mouth.
3. The results of an application of his products.
4. The ease of use of his products.
5. The giveaways he does (and there are many).
6. The Christmas present he sent (Some extra detail spray and microfiber cloth).
7. How genuine he is (He invites forum members to his house for BBQ's for Pete's sake!).
8. The t-shirt he sent me (free).

I suppose the last few could be in the name of promotion, but I don't feel that's the way he does business. I feel he genuinely cares about his customers and I have never seen anything like that. So I will promote his business, products and customer service as much as possible, and will never use another product as long as his are around.

I have never said anything about Sal Zaino except for the fact you don't see him doing these things. I have never used his products, so I can't comment on that.

As Jeff (Nytro) said, if you were really interested in his products, you can contact him directly several ways. This is not the most direct way, it's the most public. Which is fine. I don't really need to know what's in his products. I don't ask Coca-Cola what their secret ingredient is. I don't ask McDonald's what there Big Mac special sauce is.

Vendor to this site or not, if I had used your products, I would comment either way. These people here know me and know that I will leave positive or negative comments about their company and service. Just mention the name Eckler's and see what you get from me.

Fire away.

Scott
 
Flash man said:
The reason I ask these questions is that I would like to educate the consumer as to what benefits you are getting in a product. Other than it works good. Some people may not care and thats ok. But there are educated consumers out there that would like to know the facts and ingredients in a product without compromising a companys trade secret of a formula. There are many companies out there that water down thier products and charge top dollar for them. I can do the same thing, but I feel that is dishonest and an injustice to the consumer.
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If a product works good (whether it's watered down or not) and the result is that it works good (how easy, how it looks, and how long it lasts), isn't that the benefit? I don't need an education on benefits of a product, I got them already. And you are basically calling us uneducated because we don't want to know what is in his (Adam's) products.

You think Adam's products are top dollar? So what would you call this then?
Zymol Royal glaze. $7,118.00 for 50 oz. Is that worth it? Is it really that much better? I don't think so. I'm happy with Adam's prices, and I'm not made of money. I work hard for it.
http://www.amazon.com/Zymol-12001-R...bs_1/105-0857605-3667649?ie=UTF8&s=automotive
 
Rich Z,

I won't argue with anyone on this forum either and I do appreciate the fact that you let me post here, however I think we all can read between the lines as to the intent of the post I first responded to. I guess I must just be an uneducated consumer who can't tell one good product from another. I experienced the same thing from Adam as Scott did, I asked him a question and he responded not only by giving me his advise, but by giving me some of his product to try as well. As a businessman myself, who ran a Service and Parts Department for over thirty years, having gross sales in excess of ten million dollars a year, I certainly can appreciate a fellow businessman like Adam who knows the value of pleasing customers and winning them over with good service and product. I have always found that an antagonistic and argumentative business attitude is not the way to do business and win customers. Thats it from me, I also call em as I see em.
 
I've got to jump in for a quick second. I've met Joe from flash at the UVP, and he is a stand up guy that knows his stuff.

He dosn't have a fancy sales pitch, and he dosn't do big sales. His products speak for themselves, and the prices are always fantastic, no sale required.

I tried some of his samples at the UVP, and went back and bought the entire kit, and am EXTREMELY satisfied.

So far I've done my vette (twice) my DD Cavalier, and my 99 Silverado with his products, as well as I did a couple spots on a friends Scion, and that day swore he was making the order for the kit.

Grape Gloss is the best spray I have ever used period.
Aqua Gloss is the best dressing I've used period.
Brown Royal is the BEST friggin product ever! I can't stop finding uses for it.
Deep Purple is fantastic!
And the Flash Liquid Paste Wax is just incredible.

I havn't gotten to use the uhpolstry cleaner, or the leather conditioner yet, but I'm going to guess that those are equally as good.

My friend with the new Scion said that "Grape Gloss smells like it would taste good"

I let Jim Kill use a bit of my grape gloss at the last cruise, and he was very impressed by it.

And on EVERY one of Flash's products, he lists all the Hazzard ratings.

I have not found anyone that I let try the Flash products that werent VERY impressed with the results, and then floored when I told them the price.
 
RichZ,

Please bare with me on this because I have weighed in pretty heavily recently on the Adam's Car Care Products and may be partially responsible, at least indirectly, for some of the banter that has taken place in this thread.

I have been a Zaino user on my Corvettes for about 3 or 4 years and although not totally happy with the ease of application, was very happy with the end result. Based on a recommendation from Nytro and an additional comment from one or two others about Adam's stuff, I got in touch with Adam Pitale to see about comparing his products with the Zaino products that I had been using.

The first thing that impressed me was that Adam did not knock or criticize the Zaino line. In fact he said that Sal made a very good product, he just thought that his product was better. Adam happened to be at his east coast home in Carlisle, Pa, which is about two hours from my home in Maryland. Adam was going to fly out of BWI airport so he was going to be traveling through my area. He took time out of his schedule to come to my home and talk Corvettes and detailing with me. It was a half hour conversation, but when he left, he left behind well over $150 worth of his products for me to test and compare. This cost me nothing!

A few days later, I purchased a '04 Z06 Z16 and during a conversation with his sales rep, he offered to come and detail the Z06 for me. I washed the car before he arrived and then he started with their clay bar process, scratch remover, polish and wax. I did not lift a finger other than to test the easy of application during each step. This cost me nothing!

In my opinion, Adam's products are a little better than Sal Zaino's. Someone else may not agree with me. But Sal has not given me a thing, nor has he detailed my car. So from a service standpoint, Adam makes sure that his customer's are satisfied. Oh yea, I forgot, when I do buy my products from Adam, if I don't like it, I get 100% of my purchase price back plus an additional 10%. I definitely did not get this from Sal.

Now, I do want to be fair about this. I don't know anything about your Flash products, but I am open minded. If you think your products and service are better than either Sal Zaino's or Adam Pitale's, I am willing to listen. In fact, I will be at my home in Ft. Myers over the upcoming holidays. I am driving my '01 vert 1100 miles from Maryland and I am positive it will need a decent detailing after my trip. If you would like to come to my house and detail the '01 (it is Navy Blue Mettalic so it does show off a good product), I would be more than willing to give you a fair evaluation on this site.

Just one piece of marketing advice. Sell your products for what they are and if they are good people will buy them. When you market your product by trying to degrade your competition, you will turn off as many customers as you win over.

I admit I am a new Adam's user and will remain so until someone shows me that I get a better product for my cars and bang for my buck! I must confess that the 110% guarantee means a lot to me and says a lot about the product.

Rich427
 
Just so there is no mistake, I am not trying to squelch debate about the merits of anyone's product nor their marketing techniques. I am merely trying to head off what I perceived to be the possibility that the discussion could get personal and overheated.

You all can pretty much discuss anything you want within this entire site, within a wide latitude of reason. My request is that you do so in a civil manner towards others that will make you proud of your own restraint and control a year from now when you read your words again.

Thanks.
 
Rich427 said:
I admit I am a new Adam's user and will remain so until someone shows me that I get a better product for my cars and bang for my buck! I must confess that the 110% guarantee means a lot to me and says a lot about the product.
Rich427
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Rich, one other thing you may not have known about. This is off of Adam's site under the "About Us" section.

My personal guarantee is this: If you are not exceptionally satisfied with any Adam’s Premium Car Care product, I will refund your money, plus 10%. I will also replace the item with a like product of your choice.


Makes you feel even better about his products.
 
Hey Adam,

I have another question that you can ask your manufacturer. What is the refractive index of your detail spray on a 32% brinx scale? Still waiting to hear a response from you.

Joe- Flash man:)
 
I do not think Adam has signed up on here, but I will ask him to take a look and he can decide if he wants to let you in on his formulations. These are questions even I dont have the answer to.

He is in Boston this weekend at Corvette Mikes doing a demo day, im sure when he gets back he can chime in.


but thanks for your interest in the Adams line.


Brian
 
Hi Brian,

I was under the assumption that he was signed up on this forum. I am very disappointed that his sales people do not know the wax content of his products.Especially here in Florida where the sun beats the crap out of clearcoats. Does Adam blend his own products or do you have a chemical company private label them for you? You should know what is in your products so you know how different chemicals react with each other.

Believe it or not,that is actually a very important selling point to the consumer. Many people, (especially corvette owners want to know what they are putting on thier cars). I am very interested to see how much wax it really has in it.This is a important factor in a spray wax. It also saves the consumer time and money by not having to use a paste wax so often. I have a friend that has obtained a bottle of your detail spray and offered it to me for testing. Since no one knows or is available for answers, I guess I will find the answers to my own questions when I complete my tests. Thanks.:)


Joe - Flash Car Care Products

www.flashwax.com
 
While I enjoy a cold beer, I dont need to know whats in it to know that I like it. I have been around detailing products for the better part of 20 plus years and have many many car show wins under my belt. So that being said, I know that I like the products that Adams sells, otherwise I wouldnt help him out (I get nothing in return for helping him at this point). The stuff is easy to use, and it looks nice on my cars.

Im not a salesman, and I dont pretend to be one. I just try and help people out with the knowledge that I have of hands on usage of products.
heres a few of my personal cars that the results have spoken for themselves.

:thumbsup:
Current car
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2nd GN....392/400 point concours show car
gn2_show.jpg

1st GN show winner
gn3.jpg

trans am race car that was still kept clean always
ta_track_side.jpg
 
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Flash man said:
Hi Brian,

I was under the assumption that he was signed up on this forum. I am very disappointed that his sales people do not know the wax content of his products.Especially here in Florida where the sun beats the crap out of clearcoats. Does Adam blend his own products or do you have a chemical company private label them for you? You should know what is in your products so you know how different chemicals react with each other.

Believe it or not,that is actually a very important selling point to the consumer. Many people, (especially corvette owners want to know what they are putting on thier cars). I am very interested to see how much wax it really has in it.This is a important factor in a spray wax. It also saves the consumer time and money by not having to use a paste wax so often. I have a friend that has obtained a bottle of your detail spray and offered it to me for testing. Since no one knows or is available for answers, I guess I will find the answers to my own questions when I complete my tests. Thanks.:)


Joe - Flash Car Care Products

www.flashwax.com
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I've been on these forums for about a year and a half. I've NEVER seen anyone post a question as to what's in any product, whether it's Adam's, Zaino, Meguiar's, etc.
 
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